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EQT (EQT) David L. Porges on Q3 2015 Results – Earnings Call Transcript

EQT Corp. (NYSE: EQT ) Q3 2015 Earnings Call October 22, 2015 10:30 am ET Executives Patrick J. Kane – Chief Investor Relations Officer Philip P. Conti – Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Steven T. Schlotterbeck – Executive Vice President and President of Exploration & Production David L. Porges – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Randall L. Crawford – Senior Vice President and President of Midstream & Commercial Analysts Neal D. Dingmann – SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc. Phillip Jungwirth – BMO Capital Markets Michael Anthony Hall – Heikkinen Energy Advisors Stephen Richardson – Evercore ISI Drew E. Venker – Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC Operator Good day and welcome to the EQT Corporation Third Quarter 2015 Earnings Conference Call. Today’s call is being recorded. And after today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. At this time, I’d like to turn the conference over to Patrick Kane, Chief Investor Relations Officer. Please go ahead, sir. Patrick J. Kane – Chief Investor Relations Officer Thanks, Jennifer. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for participating in EQT Corporation’s conference call. With me today are Dave Porges, President and Chief Executive Officer; Phil Conti, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Randy Crawford, Senior Vice President and President of Midstream and Commercial; and Steve Schlotterbeck, Executive Vice President and President of Exploration and Production. This call will be replayed for a seven-day period beginning at approximately 1:30 today. The telephone number for the replay is 719-457-0820. The confirmation code is 868-2699. The call will also be replayed for seven days on our website. To remind you, the results of EQT Midstream Partners, ticker EQM, and EQGP Holdings, ticker EQGP, are consolidated in EQT’s results. Earlier this morning, there were separate joint press release issued by EQM and EQGP. The partnership’s conference call is at 11:30 AM today, which requires that we take the last question at 11:20. The dial-in number for that call is 913-312-9034. The confirmation code is 215-7781. In just a moment, Phil will summarize EQT’s results. Next, Steve will have a brief Utica update. Finally, Dave will provide preliminary thoughts on EQT’s 2016 capital budget. Following their prepared remarks, Dave, Phil, Randy and Steve will be available to answer your questions. I’d like to remind you that today’s call may contain forward-looking statements. You can find factors that could cause the company’s actual results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements listed in today’s press release under risk factors in EQT’s Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2014 as updated by any subsequent Form 10-Qs which are on file at the SEC and available on our website. Today’s call may also contain certain non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to this morning’s press release for important disclosures regarding such financial measures including reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP measure. Before turning the call over to Phil, I’ll walk you through one of the non-GAAP reconciliations that caused some confusion last quarter, specifically production adjusted net operating revenue presented on page seven of today’s release. This number is used as a basis for calculating our average realized sales price as presented on the price reconciliation included in this morning’s release. The average realized price is calculated by dividing the adjusted net operating revenue by total sales volumes. There is a non-GAAP reconciliation in the release that I will briefly explain. We are making two adjustments to EQT Production total operating revenues as reported on the segment page in order to provide you with operating revenues excluding the non-cash impact of derivatives and the net of transportation and processing costs. With respect to derivatives, adjustments for non-cash derivative activity have been the subject of SEC comments over the past couple of years. As a result, in accordance with what appears to be the SEC preference in this area, we adjust out the non-cash activity in three steps. First, we back up all gains and losses on derivatives not designated as hedges that were included in revenues during the period, which is the mark-to-market impact which was $160.5 million this quarter. Two, we add back the actual cash received, $33.2 million, and deducted premiums paid for derivatives that settled during the quarter, which was $1 million. This leaves us with just the actual cash received net of any premiums paid in our adjusted revenue number. The final adjustment on our non-GAAP reconciliation simply reduces the total operating revenues by $64.7 million of cost reported as expense on EQT Production segment page for transportation and processing. This provides a realized price net of transportation and processing cost which is consistent with our historic presentation. With that, I’ll turn the call over to Phil Conti. Philip P. Conti – Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Thanks, Pat, and good morning everyone. As you read the press release this morning, EQT announced the third quarter 2015 adjusted loss of $0.33 per diluted share, which represents an $0.83 per share decrease from adjusted EPS in the third quarter of 2014. Adjusted operating cash flow was $156.3 million in the quarter or 46% lower than the third quarter of 2014. Results for the quarter were negatively impacted by lower commodity prices due to lower strip prices since the last quarter. We also recorded a significant non-cash gain on hedges of future production of $128.3 million during the quarter and that was some of the stuff that Pat just talked about and that’s excluded from the adjusted earnings and cash flow. I’d like to briefly take a look at our continuing investment in the recently IPO’ed EQGP. On October 20, 2015, EQGP announced a cash distribution to its unit holders of $0.104 per unit for the third quarter of 2015 or a 13% increase over the equivalent full quarter distribution in the second quarter of 2015. The third quarter distribution decision represents $24.9 million in payments which EQT will receive on November 23. These quarterly payments will continue to grow as distributions at EQGP grow, and they highlight the value of EQGP to EQT. The operational results were fairly straightforward in the third quarter, so I’ll move right into the segment results, and I will be brief. First, EQT Production continued to grow production sales volumes by 27% compared to the third quarter of 2014. However, revenues from that growth were more than offset by the lower commodity prices negatively impacting results in the third quarter. The average realized price at EQT Production was $1.21 per Mcf equivalent, a 55% decrease from $2.69 per Mcf equivalent last year, which led to adjusted operating revenues for the quarter of $188.5 million or $142.5 million lower than last year’s third quarter. There were many factors that led to the lower price but lower NYMEX and liquids prices versus last year were the primary drivers. You will find the detailed components of the price differences in the tables in this morning’s release. The adjusted operating loss at EQT Production was $72 million, excluding the non-cash gain on hedges of $128.3 million as I just mentioned. That compares to adjusted operating income of $107.9 million in the third quarter of 2014 and that was also excluding a non-cash gain on hedges. Total operating expenses at EQT Production were $325.2 million or $53.5 million higher compared to the third quarter 2014. DD&A was $30.2 million higher, transportation and processing expense was about $16 million higher, exploration expense was $4.6 million higher, and LOE, excluding production taxes, was about $1.6 million higher, all consistent with the volume growth. Production tax decreased by $3 million due to lower commodity prices in the period. SG&A expense excluding $3.5 million in rig release penalties was about $0.5 million higher. Midstream results. Here, the operating income was up 21%. The increase is consistent with the growth of gathered volumes and increased fixed capacity-based transmission charges. Gathering revenues increased 23% to $125.9 million in the third quarter of 2015 primarily due to a 24% increase in gathered volumes. Transmission revenues for the third quarter 2015 increased by $6.9 million or 12% driven by additional firm-contracted capacity added over the past year. Operating expenses at Midstream for the third quarter of $82.2 million were about $9.4 million higher than last year consistent with the growth in the Midstream business. And just to conclude with a brief note on liquidity, EQT did have $1.7 billion of cash on hand at quarter-end not including cash at EQM and EQGP, as well as full availability under EQT’s $1.5 billion credit facility. So, we remain in a strong liquidity position to accomplish our goals for the foreseeable future. Our current estimate of 2015 EQT operating cash flow is $900 million adjusted to exclude the non-controlling interest portion of EQM and EQGP’s cash flow. And with that, I’ll turn the call over to Steve. Steven T. Schlotterbeck – Executive Vice President and President of Exploration & Production Thank you, Phil. Today, I’ll provide you an update on our deep Utica well program. As discussed on the last call, we completed our first deep Utica well in July, the Scotts Run 591340. To remind you, the well’s initial 24-hour flow was 72.9 million cubic feet with an average flowing casing pressure of 8,641 psi. We’ve been flowing this well directly into the sales pipeline at a choke-restricted rate of about 30 million cubic feet per day. Except for the seven days required to install the wellhead equipment, daily sales have been steady at this rate. Casing pressure has been declining at an average of 40 psi per day. As of yesterday, sales volumes were 30.4 million cubic feet per day, and the casing pressure was 6,320 psi. Cumulative production from this well has totaled 2.6 Bcf in the first 86 days of production. Our expectation is that the daily production rate will not decline until the well pressure declines to the pipeline pressure, which is 500 psi. Based on an extrapolation of the current pressure decline rate, we estimate that we’ll reach line pressure after approximately eight months of production, which will be at late March 2016. The cumulative production at that time would be approximately 7.4 Bcf. At that point, we have a wide range of possible decline curves as we do not have any analogous decline data to rely on. Our current reservoir modeling suggests an ultimate expected recovery for this well in a range between 13.9 Bcf and 18.8 Bcf or a range of 4.3 Bcf to 5.9 Bcf per thousand foot of lateral. Using the lowest EUR of our range and assuming the high end of our cost per well target of between $12.5 million and $14 million per well we estimate returns at a $2 wellhead gas price to be north of 20% for a 5,400 foot lateral well. Since the last call, we have exploit two additional Utica wells. In August, we exploit the second Greene County well, the Pettit #593066 which is located approximately five miles northeast of the Scotts Run well. They’re currently at a depth of 12,200 feet, and we installed the intermediate casing. We’re just beginning to drill a curve on this well and expect this well to be in line before the end of the mid-year. The third well was spud in September in Wetzel County, West Virginia, the Big 190 well, and is located approximately 30 miles southwest of the Scotts Run well. We reached TD of the deep intermediate hole. The top hole rig has been moved off the well and the well is secured awaiting the Big rig to run the intermediate casing. The rest of the drilling will be completed when the Greene County rig is finished with the Pettit well, and that rig is moved to West Virginia later this year. We’re making good progress on cost reductions for these wells. Specifically at the current depth of the Pettit well, we spend approximately 22% less than we did on the Scotts Run well at the same point. As I previously noted, we expected to take several wells for us to achieve our cost target for these wells of between $12.5 million and $14 million. We are pleased with our progress so far and remain confident that we will achieve our targeted cost. We will continue to post well data from the Scotts Run well on our analyst presentation periodically, and we’ll update you on the progress of the latest two wells as warranted. I will now turn the call over to Dave Porges for his initial thoughts for next year’s capital budget. David L. Porges – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Thank you, Steve, and good morning everyone. Today the topic of my prepared remarks, as Steve mentioned, is our preliminary thinking regarding EQT’s 2016 capital budget. We met with our board last week to discuss our long-term strategy, as we do every October. We will then meet in early December to approve the upcoming year’s operating plan and capital budget. A key aspect of the discussion in last week’s meeting was the impact of the emerging deep Utica play on EQT’s strategy. There have been fewer than 10 wells drilled and completed in the deep Utica around our acreage, so it is still too early to be confident that the play will be economic, but the early results are certainly encouraging. Specifically, if the Utica does work, which for us means that the returns are better than returns from the core Marcellus, we will certainly add significant resource potential to our inventory. However, the clearing price for natural gas will likely be lower in that scenario than if the Utica is less economic. As a result, some of our other inventory that requires higher prices to make economic returns would be deferred possibly for many years. So, while those of us, certainly including EQT, who have significant position in the core of the deep Utica will be the winners, if you will, the cannibalization of other opportunities will affect everyone including those of us who will net-net be much better off if the deep Utica play does work economically. Given this potential for lower long-term gas prices, we do not think it’s prudent to invest much money in wells whose all-in after-tax returns exceed our investment hurdle rates by only a relatively small amount. As a result, we are suspending drilling in those areas such as Central Pennsylvania and Upper Devonian play that are outside that core. This decision will affect our 2016 capital plan though we are just starting to develop the specifics of the 2016 drilling program that forms the core of that plan. The focus in 2016 will be on this more narrowly-drawn notion of what the core Marcellus would be assuming the deep Utica play works. We will also pursue the deep Utica play with a goal of determining economics, size of resource that midstream needs and on lowering the cost per well to our target range. Our initial thoughts are a 10 well to 15-well deep Utica program in 2016 with flexibility to shift capital between Marcellus and Utica as warranted based on our progress. Our preliminary estimate for production volume growth in 2016 versus 2015 is 15% to 20% which we will refine when we announce our formal development plan at early December. If we turn in line our fourth quarter wells in late December, as contemplated in our fourth quarter guidance, 2016 growth would likely be near the upper end of that range as those wells would contribute little if anything to volumes until early 2016. Obviously, this overall approach will result in a 2016 capital budget, absent any acquisitions that is a fair bit lower than 2015 and would result in continuing (16:28) of cash on hand as of end 2016 but we will provide specifics in December. Another strategic implication of an economic deep Utica play is the significant opportunity for EQM. A year ago, it would have been hard to imagine a more prolific play than the Marcellus. And EQM has already announced the $3 billion backlog of midstream in projects to serve the Marcellus play. Incidentally, that entire current backlog continues to make sense if the deep Utica proves economic as it either supports core Marcellus or takeaway projects that are needed regardless of the source rock for the natural gas. However, if the deep Utica works, it is likely to be larger than the Marcellus over time. The magnitude of incremental takeaway and gathering pipeline such as a play would support is significant, even net of the previously mentioned reductions in Marcellus development that would occur in this scenario. As we think about the EQT corporate structure, we are not likely to make any major decisions to change to current integrated model until we do understand the scope of a potential deep Utica development program. We have reaped much value in recent years from having the two businesses together and there is the potential that both companies would continue to benefit from the synergies into the dawn of the Utica era. Finally, the deep Utica potential has also affected our thoughts around acreage acquisitions. Given our view that our existing acreage sits on what is expected to be the core of the core in deep Utica, we are focusing our area of interest even more tightly on acreage that is in our core Marcellus and potentially core deep Utica area. As you can probably deduce from the lack of significant transaction announcements, the bid/ask spread continues to be wide. We are a patient company and believe that there will be acreage available at fair prices eventually. But the definition of fair has to contemplate the potential that the deep Utica works. We do not think that bodes well for that price of acreage concentrated in anything but the core Marcellus and core Utica. This narrowing focus also suggests that smaller asset deals are much more likely than larger corporate deals. However, as we have stated previously, we are comfortable maintaining our industry-leading balance sheet even as we look for opportunities to create value. In conclusion, EQT is committed to increasing the value of your shares. We look forward to continuing to execute on our commitment to our shareholders and appreciate your continued support. With that, I will turn the call back over to Pat Kane. Patrick J. Kane – Chief Investor Relations Officer Thank you, Dave. Jennifer, we’re ready to open the call for questions. Question-and-Answer Session Operator Thank you. And we’ll take our first question from Neal Dingmann from SunTrust. Neal D. Dingmann – SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc. Morning, gentlemen. Dave, just on that last part that you mentioned on the M&A, your thoughts, and I would agree on the strong, obviously, position you have in that deep Utica. Are you and Steve thinking more bolt-on in that area? Are there some big packages you see? Anything else you could add about what you’re kind of looking at in regard to M&A in that area? David L. Porges – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Steve has been closer to that. I will let him answer that question. Steven T. Schlotterbeck – Executive Vice President and President of Exploration & Production Sure. Neal, we’re – our primary focus in terms of looking at acquisitions is really focused on a pretty narrow core area. And we’ll be updating our Investor Presentation later today, and you’ll see a map that shows kind of the area most of interest to us where we’ll be focusing our development program as well as any M&A activity that we’d be interested in. So, right now, it seems like there’s – people are interested in selling assets. So far, the prices have still been a bit high. But as Dave said, we plan on being patient waiting for what we would consider fair prices before we transact. Neal D. Dingmann – SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc. Right. And then the 10 to 15 wells you mentioned, Steve, in the deep Utica, your thoughts how far north – I mean, you’ve got obviously some interesting acreage all the way up in the Allegheny and given how successful CNX is, obviously, their Gott well was all the way clear up into Westmoreland. Just your thoughts on – any ideas you can give us on those 10 wells to 15 wells? Will most of those be focused down around that Greene County area, or would you take them all the way up to potentially as north as Allegheny? Steven T. Schlotterbeck – Executive Vice President and President of Exploration & Production Well, we haven’t spotted all of those 10 wells to 15 wells. So, it will depend on the results we see. But I would say, certainly into Southern Allegheny County where we have a pretty significant position and high expectations for the Utica, maybe up into the Northern Allegheny but more likely, it would be for us Southwestern Armstrong where we have an acreage position. I think our view would probably be we’ll let others define that area. Part of the reason would be more limited takeaway capacity up there, so probably not going to be in a big hurry to drill some of these monster wells up there, probably more focused from Southern Allegheny down into Southern Wetzel and maybe a bit over into far western Marion County. Neal D. Dingmann – SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc. Got it. And then just the last question. Just on takeaway for the dry gas. Dave, at one time, Dave, you thought – I think you commented that really the only limitation might be just takeaway as far and maybe given how successful these wells and how economic these wells look. If you and Steve can talk about, is that – again, does that have limitations to how many wells you drill next year or by some point next year you’ll have ample Utica takeaway? David L. Porges – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Geez, I think these – if the early results continue to show up – if we see things consistent with those early results in future wells, I think we’re probably going to be looking at takeaway limitations for a while. I mean, I think these wells can probably support volumes that the midstream wasn’t really designed for and it’s – I mean, we’ll probably let Randy speak to this but it would- it’s going to take a little while probably to figure out what the right midstream configuration is for the deep Utica. Randy, do you have any thoughts on that? Randall L. Crawford – Senior Vice President and President of Midstream & Commercial No. I concur. Obviously, we’ve been trying to stay out in front of the Marcellus and we’ve looked at our Ohio Valley Connector that’s coming on. But I would also say, we’re looking at Jupiter system and how we can leverage that and the infrastructure that we have in Equitrans. So, I think we’re best positioned to move a little bit of the product. But certainly, these wells are quite exciting and so that will take a lot of additional infrastructure as we develop the play. David L. Porges – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Now, we do think incidentally that the cost per unit is going to be considerably less than it is for the Marcellus because of the higher volumes, and frankly, the more concentrated nature of it. I mean, it’s not just higher volumes. It’s that you can get it from a tighter area. That’s a much better answer from the perspective of unit gathering and compression costs. Actually, the compression cost, early on, is going to probably be a round number. Zero. Randall L. Crawford – Senior Vice President and President of Midstream & Commercial Yeah. Neal D. Dingmann – SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc. Again, thanks, guys. Great details. Operator Thank you. And we’ll go next to Phillip Jungwirth from BMO. Phillip Jungwirth – BMO Capital Markets Hey. Good morning. Couple of questions on Utica well costs. First, wondering if you could provide us with the AFE for the second Greene County and first Wetzel County Utica wells. And then, second, your targeted well cost imply about $2,500 per foot which I know it compares to some of the smaller peers over in Belmont and Monroe County who are quoting $1,200 to $1,500 per foot. Obviously, the Pennsylvania Utica is 13,000 feet compared to 10,000. But do you think that deeper depth at higher pressures would account for all of this difference or could there be further room to bring costs down as you progress through development? Steven T. Schlotterbeck – Executive Vice President and President of Exploration & Production Phil, this is Steve. I think – I guess regarding the AFEs, I don’t have the exact numbers in front of me, but they’re in the low-$17 millions per well. That cost will be dependent on the ultimate lateral length, so we have some flexibility about how long we end up drilling these. So, I wouldn’t put a whole lot of weight on those numbers. But a significant decrease from the actual costs from our first well, which was around $30 million. And the second part of your question, remind me again. Oh, the cost per foot? I think our view is that when we sit down and do a bottoms-up analysis of what we think it should cost to drill these wells once you work through all of the problems and get the non-productive time down to a minimum that that’s where we come up with that $12.5 million. So, I think at current service costs, never say never but we don’t see a path to being significantly less than that for these wells. And I think the $14 million gives us some room to have a few unexpected problems that maybe we wouldn’t normally have on Marcellus wells, which is why we’re quoting a range right now. But our hope is to get it at the bottom end of that range but very confident we’ll get within the top end. Phillip Jungwirth – BMO Capital Markets Okay. Great. Yeah. Looks like based on the EUR math that the implied F&D is already pretty comparable to what you’re seeing in the Marcellus. Second question is on the last call you had mentioned how EQM is now more of an organic growth story. But with the narrowing of Marcellus development in 2016 and beyond, how would this impact future dropdowns given that most of the gathering of transmission assets held by EQT appear to be outside of the core Southwest PA and Northwest Virginia area? Steven T. Schlotterbeck – Executive Vice President and President of Exploration & Production Well, we’re still working through what we want to do with future drops. But the comment about what’s most economic for EQM is kind of independent of that. EQM is not well, as you know, into the high splits. And it’s just more economical for an MLP to organically develop projects than to have to pay up as long as it can afford it as long as it’s got the coverage that allows it to wear that period of time when that got assets tied up in projects that aren’t generating cash flow. So, we’ll have to work through what happens with the remaining projects, et cetera, as we go through 2016. But my comments in the past about organic growth being the preference is just because of the way it works when you’ve got all of that incremental cash flow going to the GP. Phillip Jungwirth – BMO Capital Markets Right. And then, historically EQT has always pre-funded the following year’s cash flow outspend with asset sales or dropdown. Would this also be the intention in 2016 or do you consider the $1.7 billion in cash on the balance sheet as having already accomplished that given, I think you mentioned that you held cash as of year-end 2016? A – [009Z0W-E Steve Schlotterbeck]> : I basically said we’ve already accomplished that. Phillip Jungwirth – BMO Capital Markets Okay, great. Thanks. Operator Thank you and we’ll go next to Michael Hall from Heikkinen Energy Advisors. Michael Anthony Hall – Heikkinen Energy Advisors Thanks. Good morning. I guess, I just wanted to touch a little bit on the backlog, kind of get your updated thoughts around how that progresses over time, if that materially year-on-year continued to grow sequentially? And just trying to think through kind of what the strategy is there when you think that this ever would ultimately be drawn down and how’s that contemplated in the 2016 plan? Steven T. Schlotterbeck – Executive Vice President and President of Exploration & Production Yeah, Michael. This is Steve. Yeah. The backlog in terms of frac stages complete but not online grew a bit this quarter, as you saw. Our expectation is that the fourth quarter will be a pretty big quarter for new TILs. Most of those will be in the back half of the quarter, so it won’t affect volumes in the quarter very much but should be coming on late. So, I think you will see a fairly significant drop back to more historic levels when we – on the next call when we’re talking about Q4. Michael Anthony Hall – Heikkinen Energy Advisors Okay. And so, is there is any thought process of continuing to draw that down even further in 2016 or is that moving in following quarters kind of do you think that could to a place where you’re more kind of at a run rate (29:37). Steven T. Schlotterbeck – Executive Vice President and President of Exploration & Production I think that will be more the typical run rate. If you look back over our history, you go back two, three years or so, I think we’ve been giving these numbers you’ll see it’s always very lumpy. The biggest driver behind that backlog is just the timing of the rigs and the number of wells and the number of fracs per well for every pad we are on. So, it tends to be very lumpy. Right now, we haven’t been taking any heroic efforts to get wells online superfast. So, that maybe drives the backlog a little bit this quarter. But again, you’ll see by next quarter, we’ll be back in the more of closer to the mean over the past few years. Michael Anthony Hall – Heikkinen Energy Advisors Okay. And any indications around capital associated with that 2016 outlook? David L. Porges – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Geez, only that it would be less than 2015. I mean, that’s – but it’s a fallout of this narrowing focus. Michael Anthony Hall – Heikkinen Energy Advisors Okay. David L. Porges – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer But I feel uncomfortable putting numbers out there when we’re still what six weeks away from putting numbers in front of our own board. But if you’re looking for directional, it would be – clearly we’re heading less than 2015. Michael Anthony Hall – Heikkinen Energy Advisors That’s helpful. Okay. And then, I guess, just wanted to – last question on my end. Think about the fourth quarter a little bit, and I think you kind of alluded to it in your comments about the back-loaded nature of the completions. But just the implications backing off the first, three quarters of the year kind of flat to down on a quarter, What are the sensitivities around that from an operational perspective, how should we think about what might put you on one end of the range or the other? David L. Porges – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer The rate for the fourth quarter… Michael Anthony Hall – Heikkinen Energy Advisors Right. David L. Porges – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer I think we just stick with what Steve said which is, we’re kind of aiming towards a lot of those pads getting tilled really at the end of the quarter and therefore having very little impact on the fourth quarter volumes. And so that results in the guidance being what it is. But we get asked a lot about our response to current prices at any one point in time. And as Steve was alluding to, in this price environment, it doesn’t seem like the right time to be going through any type of heroic efforts to get things turned online any more quick. Michael Anthony Hall – Heikkinen Energy Advisors Yeah. David L. Porges – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Right. So the notion that we’ve reflected in the guidance that those TILs are going to drift backwards is just not troublesome. Michael Anthony Hall – Heikkinen Energy Advisors Okay. David L. Porges – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer …because they still get TILs. Michael Anthony Hall – Heikkinen Energy Advisors Right. David L. Porges – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer It’s just the question is whether it affects December volumes or January volumes is really the issue. Michael Anthony Hall – Heikkinen Energy Advisors Fair enough. And in the past you guys – just kind of brought up another question I had. In the past you guys talked about a pretty substantial kind of spud to turn to sales time of, I’ll call it, I think nine months or so, and therefore 2015 spending is really kind of baking in the 2016 growth rate. Given that, I mean, is that still in place, which I imagine is? Is there really a price at which in 2016 you would be able to really slowdown the production? Or how do you tactically respond to gas prices in 2016 if they continue to kind of remain at these low levels on a realized basis? David L. Porges – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer We’ll look at that as 2016 plays out. Obviously, part of the consideration, as you mentioned, is what the prices are. But really, the midstream is a big part of the consideration too. If you have some midstream flexibility, you can slowdown and kind of make it up later if you want to. And when the midstream is more full then you have to decide, you either want it or you don’t. You want the volumes or you don’t want the volumes because you can’t really make it up on the back end, right? It’s quite a ways down the road before you can make up those volumes. But we certainly take prices into account while making our decisions about capital expenditures and what type of efforts to go through to try to accelerate or otherwise turning lines for wells. Michael Anthony Hall – Heikkinen Energy Advisors Okay. That’s helpful. And then, I guess, sorry, one last one. On the gas processing side, do you have any increases in commitments around volumes from gas processing contracts that we ought to be keeping in minds, given how low NGL prices are? Philip P. Conti – Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Michael, there’s a little bit more coming on in January of less than 5% of where we are. Michael Anthony Hall – Heikkinen Energy Advisors Okay. Great. Thanks. Operator Thank you. And we’ll go next to Stephen Richardson from Evercore ISI. Stephen Richardson – Evercore ISI Hey, good morning. Philip P. Conti – Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Good morning. Stephen Richardson – Evercore ISI David, as you think about the strategy and kind of just went through some of these thoughts with the board. So, is there any evolution in your thoughts in terms of what the right mix of upstream versus midstream capital is here in terms and I’d appreciate that EQM is funded to some extent organically. But in terms of returns and how to optimize that beyond 2017 just considering the gas outlook versus the gathering outlook from what you see from the different horizons here? David L. Porges – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Well, first of all, just kind of to reiterate, my belief is, the further out in the future you look, the clear – and you mentioned beyond 2017 the clearer it is in my mind that capital expenditures for midstream should be at the EQM level. We want to protect that IDR and the way to do that is to have the most attractive midstream projects possible so that they can afford to pay the incremental cash flow to the GP, which is kind of the core value of that IDR where we stand now. So, that’s going to be the mindset. Strategically it’s going to be midstream expenditures should occur at EQM. Now, if you’re trying to get at what’s more valuable, generally, midstream or upstream, I guess, that’s a bigger picture question than just one company and we’ll see. We’re trying to position ourselves so that we can be agnostic so that we can take advantage of wherever the value is in the value chain. I agree that with the prospects of the Utica and issues like that it’s not clear what the value chain will look like several years down the road but we think that the reason EQT is such an attractive investment is because EQT will participate no matter where the most value shows up in that value chain. Stephen Richardson – Evercore ISI Right. And can you just remind us, as you think about upstream like the right capital allocation at EQT Production for next year appreciating this 9 months or 12 months gap between when you deploy capital and when it shows up in production? Like what is the – is it a wellhead hurdle rate, is it a corporate return, is it a burden return? What’s the right return on capital? David L. Porges – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Yeah, we look at all-in return. All-in after-tax returns is the way we tend to look at things. But that overlay that I mentioned in my prepared remarks was we just think we need to bear in mind what if the deep Utica works and what does that mean for clearing prices, et cetera, and therefore we should be particularly cautious about investing in anything but the core Marcellus which does stand up still in those environments and in the core Utica. So, it’s more of that. There’s always uncertainty about what prices are going to be. But whenever you have a new low-cost supply source in any commodity business, you’ve got to start being wearier of where one wants to invest one’s money. So, I think there’s a certain amount of caution that we’re taking that we’re talking about because of that unknown because of not knowing yet the extent to which the deep Utica will work. But our feeling that if it works the way it’s looking like it might that the core areas for Marcellus and Utica are simply going to be narrower. I mean, we’re going to be able to supply a big portion of North America’s natural gas needs from a relatively small geography. Stephen Richardson – Evercore ISI Right. And – sorry, just final question from me is, have you and maybe it’s for Randy in terms of conversations or thoughts on what the third-party opportunity is at this horizon? So again, we’re all assuming that if this is economic and it is lower cost and it isn’t just a zero-sum game in terms of different capital going to the Utica but is EQM particularly well-positioned to capture a larger proportion of potential third-party volumes in these areas than you have in the Marcellus? Is this a big piece of forward growth beyond the $3 billion CapEx number? Randall L. Crawford – Senior Vice President and President of Midstream & Commercial This is Randy. Yeah, I think we have a significant opportunity with the well results that we’re seeing. In fact, I think Dave and Steve both mentioned that the core of the core Utica actually appears to sit right on top of our EQM assets, both at Equitrans and with the gathering assets along Jupiter and Northern West Virginia. In our projects that we have embarked on currently, which is the Ohio Valley Connector and our Mountain Valley Pipeline I think position us quite well to both move – to be competitive and move gas to both affiliate as well as third parties. So, I think we’re very competitively well positioned. Steven T. Schlotterbeck – Executive Vice President and President of Exploration & Production Yeah. And, look, to your point, probably we weren’t as well positioned as you move a little bit outside of the core Marcellus from a midstream perspective. So, this emergence of the Utica is from a competitive and a comparative perspective a positive for EQM. Stephen Richardson – Evercore ISI Great. Thanks very much. Operator Thank you. And we’ll go next to Drew Venker from Morgan Stanley. Drew E. Venker – Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC Good morning, everyone. Could you speak to the 2016 program could change if we have a warm winter and gas prices are well below the Strip (40:20) I’m thinking something around $2.25 for 2016. I’m particularly interested whether that would significantly reduce your appetite to delineate the Utica in 2016? I guess, and conversely, if prices are higher, would that change that Utica program at all? David L. Porges – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer At that point though you are just talking about what 2016 prices would be? I mean, the norm in commodities, and I understand there does tend to be in the investor community short-term focus. I recognize that people need to make money each quarter. But actually, lower prices near term tend to lead to more robust recoveries later. So, our view is much more the low-cost opportunities are going to be the ones that went out and you want to make sure that you’re – especially if you think prices are going to be stressed at all that you’re focusing on only going after the lowest cost opportunities and not letting yourself kind of get drawn into investing in opportunities that are other than that. So, I’d say that’s our focus anyway. And, look, in a lower price environment because we’re talking about the deep Utica perhaps helping to create that obviously becomes even more important. Drew E. Venker – Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC Right. So, I guess, Dave, it sounds it’s not – probably not much change. David L. Porges – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Well, change -yeah, but the thing is we’re not telling you what our 2016 plan is yet because we haven’t gotten it approved from our board. Drew E. Venker – Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC Right. David L. Porges – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer So, it’s – I’m not even sure how I go about telling you what the change would be versus the plan that we can’t even discuss with you. Drew E. Venker – Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC Fair enough, Dave. And then…. David L. Porges – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer But yeah, well if prices are lower then we’d probably over time will spend less money and if they’re higher we’ll probably spend more money over time. But we’re already talking about 2016 being below – fair a bit below 2015 as it is. Drew E. Venker – Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC Right. Right. I was thinking, Dave, you mentioned maybe, 10 wells or 15 wells at the Utica in 2016 that’s really what I was thinking about (42:18) program. David L. Porges – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Yeah, that’ll be governed by how attractive it looks because those will still be more economical wells than anything else get probably that could get drilled anywhere in the country. So… Drew E. Venker – Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC Okay. And then maybe you were speaking to probably wanting to build out another gathering system for the Utica. Does that delay how quickly you want to move into development mode there? I guess thinking let’s fast forward and say, you’re very happy with the results or maybe even more pleased than what you’re seeing today? Would you still need to put a gathering system in place before you could accelerate in 2017? David L. Porges – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Yeah. We’re… Drew E. Venker – Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC Or it’s too early even to think about that? David L. Porges – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Yeah. Well, no, it’s not too early to think about it but we haven’t actually settled on what that approach will be. Our bias is that a fair bid of the gathering for Utica is probably going to be separate because of the pressures involved. Drew E. Venker – Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC Right. David L. Porges – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer But as far as the specifics and exactly where it is and exactly how much money gets spent that we haven’t. We’re not ready to disclose that stuff. We’re only just in the midst of even discussing that internally with our own board. Drew E. Venker – Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC I guess and maybe another way to ask would be would you be interested potentially to have lower activity levels so you’re not putting those very high pressures into your Marcellus gathering system? David L. Porges – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer We’re not going to put it into our Marcellus gathering system and that’s – well, go ahead, Steve. Steven T. Schlotterbeck – Executive Vice President and President of Exploration & Production Actually, in the short-term, Drew, we can put it into the Marcellus system. It’s not the most optimum situation long term for the Utica because the gathering – the unit gathering cost for the Utica in a dedicated system will be significantly lower than the cost of moving through a Marcellus system. But for the next couple of years until we figure out exactly what the optimum systems are and get them built, we can, and the likely impact, if we were doing that because the Utica was looking so good would probably be a shift from Marcellus investments to Utica which is how – which is where the capacity in those systems would effectively come from. We’ve replaced Marcellus gas with Utica. And as we build Utica systems, at that point, we would start to get the benefits of the lower unit cost. Drew E. Venker – Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC Okay. All right. That’s really helpful color. Your answers were great, I wasn’t try to talk too bad or anything. Thanks a lot, guys. David L. Porges – Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer All right. Thank you. Operator At this time, I’ll turn it back over to our speakers for any additional or closing remarks. Philip P. Conti – Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Thank you, Jennifer. As Steve mentioned, we will be posting a new analyst presentation to our website later today, so that will be available some time after 4:00. And I’d like to thank you all for participating. Operator And that does conclude today’s conference. Thank you for your participation.

NorthWestern’s (NWE) CEO Bob Rowe on Q3 2015 Results – Earnings Call Transcript

NorthWestern Corporation (NYSE: NWE ) Q3 2015 Earnings Conference Call October 22, 2015 15:30 ET Executives Travis Meyer – Investor Relations Bob Rowe – President and Chief Executive Officer Brian Bird – Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Analysts Dan Eggers – Credit Suisse Paul Ridzon – KeyBanc Jonathan Reeder – Wells Fargo Securities Doug Christopher – Crowell, Weedon Paul Patterson – Glenrock Associates Andrew Levi – Avon Capital Advisors Operator Good day, and welcome to the NorthWestern Corporation Third Quarter 2015 Financial Results Conference Call. Today’s conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Travis Meyer. Please go ahead, sir. Travis Meyer Thanks, Jennifer. Good afternoon and thank you for joining NorthWestern Corporation’s financial results conference call and webcast for the quarter ended September 30, 2015. NorthWestern’s results have been released and the release is available on our website at northwesternenergy.com. We also released our 10-Q pre-market this morning. Presenting today are Bob Rowe, President and Chief Executive Officer and Brian Bird, our Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. We also have several other members of the management team with us in the room today to address your questions. Before I turn the call over for us to begin, please note that the company’s press release, this presentation, comments by presenters and responses to your questions may contain forward-looking statements. As such, I will remind you of our Safe Harbor language. During the course of this presentation, there will be forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements often address our expected future business and financial performance and may contain words such as expects, anticipates, intends, plans, believes, seeks, or will. The information in this presentation is based upon our current expectations of the date hereof, unless otherwise noted. Our actual future business and financial performance may differ materially and adversely from our expectations expressed in any forward-looking statements. We undertake no obligation to revise or publicly update our forward-looking statements or this presentation for any reason. Although our expectations and beliefs are based on the reasonable assumptions, actual results may differ materially. The factors that may affect our results are listed in certain of our press releases and disclosed in the company’s 10-K and 10-Q, along with other public filings with the SEC. Following the presentation today, those who are joining us by teleconference will be asked – will be allowed to ask questions. The archived replay of today’s webcast will be available beginning at 6:00 p.m. Eastern and can be found on our website at northwesternenergy.com under the Our Company, Investor Relations, Presentations and Webcasts link. To access the audio replay of the call, dial 888-389-5988 then access code 4283628. I will now turn it over to President and CEO, Bob Rowe. Bob Rowe Good afternoon and thanks for joining us. Today, we are at our division operations in Missoula, Montana. Missoula is the home of the University of Montana and is a driving and really very dynamic community. I will start with some of the highlights. We have net income of $23.8 million reported in the third quarter of this year and that’s compared with $30.2 million for the same quarter last year, and the decrease was primarily the result of $16.9 million tax benefit recognized in the third quarter last year that was partially offset by the income from the November 2014 hydro acquisition. We have diluted EPS of $0.51 as compared to $0.77 in the third quarter last year. Adjusted non-GAAP diluted EPS of $0.51 as compared to $0.38 in the third quarter last year. We reached a settlement agreement in our South Dakota General Electric Rates Filing with both the South Dakota PUC staff and with interveners. If approved by the commission, the settlement will provide an increase in base rates of $22.2 million. In addition to that, $9 million related to the acquisition of the 80 megawatt Beethoven wind project. On September 25, we completed the Beethoven acquisition for approximately $143 million. As compared to the 20-year of qualifying facilities contracts that were previously in place for Beethoven, the acquisition and ownership by NorthWestern is projected to benefit our South Dakota customers by in excess of $44 million over the same period of time. The acquisition was financed with the issuance of $70 million of 25-year first mortgage bonds, with a coupon of 4.26% that occurred in September of this year, by $57 million of equity or 1.1 million shares in October of this year, and with the remainder funded that was available cash and short-term borrowings. We have narrowed our full year 2015 adjusted guidance to a range of $3.10 to $3.25 per diluted share. Our previously announced guidance was $3.10 to $3.30 per share. And the Board of Directors approved a $0.48 per share dividend payable on December 31 of this year. And with, I will turn it over to Brian Bird. Brian Bird Alright. Thanks Bob. Summary of financial results on Page 5 for the third quarter, I will focus on income before taxes I will get into individual components of the P&L shortly, but income before tax as you see for the quarter, we had $30.2 million, which is an $18.4 million, or a 156% increase over the prior quarter. That was offset with, however, on the tax line, we had a significant tax benefit, as Bob just discussed last year, which resulted in a $24.8 million negative variance on the income tax line for the quarter, netting us to net income of $23.8 million or $6.4 million reduction versus the prior year. As you move forward to gross margin on Page 6, the increase in gross margin in the electric side and primarily driven by two items: first and foremost, the hydro operations, $40.4 million and the South Dakota Electric interim rate increase of $1.8 million. There are several items that certainly below that that effectively net out. I would point out that the electric retail volumes were up $1.1 million. We did see some benefit, slight benefit from weather there, but which was offset by some slight negative weather that impacted the gasses – of the natural gas retail volumes. Taking all things into consideration, we deemed that weather was immaterial for the quarter. Moving forward to Page 7 regarding whether to demonstrate that, as you take a look at the 2015 weather compared with 2014, we were slightly cooler in Montana regarding cooling degree days, but quite a bit warmer in South Dakota. Again, those two things primarily offset one another. And certainly, on a cooling degree day versus our historic average is how we look at and as we forecast our earnings, in a going forward basis, we look at versus the historic average as you can see there is very little difference in the quarter versus the historic average from the cooling degree day. Regarding heating degree days, the third quarter is quite a bit a shoulder quarter for us. It was quite a bit warmer, but again, there is just not a lot of heating load there. There was a very little impact in the quarter associated with heating degree days. Moving forward to operating expenses on Page 8, operating expenses, let’s start with OG&A, it was up 16.4%, or $11.2 million, $10.8 million of that increase is associated with our hydro operations. Each of the items below that, $3.5 million increase was associated with the non-employee directors’ deferred compensation. For those of you who cover us closely, you know that, that’s offset in the other income line. Below that, both hydro transaction cost was favorable variance this year since we didn’t incur any of those costs this year. And bad debt expense is certainly we have had an improvement in terms of our CIS system this year and thus an improvement in our bad debt expense as well. The last item there of $2 million other, which is a favorable variance in this case, is really associated with the cost control that we have put in place during the quarter, so actually, on a netted basis, we are actually down all other costs if you look from the quarter and again trying to manage some impacts in our margins by managing our cost closely for the quarter and we were successful there. Regarding property taxes and depreciation, those are up 28.4% from 17% respectively. The increases there are primarily driven from the hydro transaction in each of those categories. Moving forward to operating net income, on Page 9, at the top of the page, you can see operating income is up $17.5 million, or 56.5%. Below that, interest expense is up $3.2 million, again primarily driven by the hydro transaction, the debt associated with that transaction. Other income is actually up $4.2 million primarily driven by the $3.5 million increase in the deferred comp that I discussed earlier and netting to us again the income before taxes of the $18.4 million improvement. And again below that, on the income tax line, the $24.8 million detriment, if you will, in our unfavorable variance on the year-over-year basis, netting a $6.4 million unfavorable variance for the quarter. If we move forward to Page 10 thinking about EPS GAAP to non-GAAP numbers, as Bob pointed out earlier in the call, for the third quarter you can see that we started with a $0.51 GAAP number. There were no adjustments for weather or any other adjustments for the quarter. So our adjusted diluted EPS was $0.51. That compared on a comparable basis to $0.38 on a quarter-over-quarter basis. And on a year-to-date standpoint, we are at $2.17 year-to-date this year versus $1.78 through the three quarters last year. So regarding the fourth quarter of this year, in order to hit our new guidance of $3.10 to $3.25, we will need between $0.93 and $1.08 for the fourth quarter of 2015. That compares to $0.89 in the fourth quarter of 2014. Moving forward to Slide 11, adjusted earnings for the third quarter, we did discuss at the very bottom of that page the diluted EPS of $0.51 versus $0.38, a 34% improvement. The beauty of this slide, it does show how that comparison is throughout the P&L, from a gross margin perspective, a 27% improvement, operating income nearly a 70% improvement, pretax income on adjusted basis 111% and net income 60%, so good year-over-year performance for the third quarter. Moving to Slide 12, we are looking at this now on a year-to-date basis, similar comparison of $2.17 to $1.78, 22% increase. You will see similar improvements across the board from a gross margin, operating income, pretax and net income up 48%, on a year-over-year basis, year-to-date, so again, very good performance. On Page 13, talking about diluted earnings per share guidance, as folks again who cover us closely, we typically do tightened our guidance after our third quarter results. In this case, we did slightly tightened down to $3.10 to $3.25. The three primary areas where we made that adjustment were issued associated with property taxes. In the third quarter, we typically got a good idea where property taxes are going to land. Those came in higher than we expected. Income taxes, as a result of the return to accrual adjustment in the third quarter and slightly lower repairs, tax deductions than anticipated for the year, income taxes are going to come in slightly higher. And you might note that we did tighten up our consolidated effective income tax rate of 17% to 19% versus previously 15% to 19%. Well, the last reason we tightened is, we have spent some outcomes from the LRAM decision and the gas tracker and further Montana Public Service Commission. As a result, our expectations from earnings have been impacted somewhat. Those three items have been offset to a degree by cost control and thus we netted that to the $3.10 to $3.25. And from our perspective, we just felt it will be difficult to get at the high end of our original $0.20 guidance. Other thing I would point out, the only other thing we did adjust here is we are using a new diluted average shares outstanding of $47.6 million versus the previous $47.3 million. Again, even with this adjusted guidance, we will continue to demonstrate 7% to 10% total return to our investors in 2015. On Page 14, in terms of the balance sheet, total assets through 2015 today are now over $5 billion. The big increase for the last nine months was over $300 million or approximately $300 million increase in PP&E that is driven to a great part in terms of our investment in Beethoven. But obviously other investments we are making throughout the business, also a nice improvement in shareholder’s equity, up approximately $40 million for the – through the first nine months of the year. Lastly, ratio of debt to capital 56.5%, we like to be around 55%. We expect to be closer to 55% at the end of 2015. On Slide 15 is cash flow, our cash flow from operations are up approximately $100 million, really driven by two things, obviously the improvement in net income. But also, improvement in working capital, that’s primarily driven by improvements in collections on a year-over-year basis. Another significant difference, if you will on a year-over-year basis is in the PP&E additions I just discussed. Again the primary difference between the 2 years is the investment we made in Beethoven in the third quarter of 2015. And with that, I will turn it back over to Bob. Bob Rowe Thank you, Brian. I will start with a bit more detailed update on the South Dakota general rate case, as you know we have filed our first electric rate case in South Dakota in 34 years. Our request – our initial request was $26.5 million increase, driven really overwhelmingly by our investments, particularly at Big Stone and Neal as well as the Aberdeen Peaker and the Yankton substation, went through overall a very constructive process of negotiating with the South Dakota Commission staff and ultimately with other intervenors. And we did reach a broad settlement, allowing them increase some base rates of about $20.2 million at an overall rate of return of 7.24%. And in addition to that, we would bring the Beethoven project into rate base for an additional $9 million annually. The PUC is scheduled to hearing, it’s actually next week, October 29 and we hope that they will be able to make the final decision in the case by the end of the year. We have been collecting interim rates since July 1 that was based on our original filing and we are recognizing revenue consistent with the settlement and we will refund any amounts determined to be over collected by March 31 of next year. A little more detail on the Beethoven wind acquisition. In September we did complete the purchase of the 80-megawatt Beethoven wind project near Tripp in South Dakota for about $143 million subject to the usual post-closing adjustments. Prior to the acquisition, the energy and the renewable energy credits or RECs associated with this 80 million – 80-megawatt project, were included in our electric supply portfolio under a qualifying facility or QF power purchase agreement. And the QF PPA terminated upon closing and we have requested the project to be placed in the rate base as part of our pending General Electric case and again stipulation does speak to that. Financing once again, included $70 million South Dakota first mortgage bonds issued in September of this year at a fixed rate of 4.26% maturing in 2040 and about $57 million of equity and that was completed in October of 2015 with 1,100,000 shares at $51.81 per share. The remaining amount again was funded with available cash and short-term borrowing. And we do look forward to a decision from the commission before the end of the year. A bit of an update on the Montana Hydroelectric System and this was obviously a very dry year throughout the West as drought conditions persisted in a relatively warm year. But despite that, the generation output from the hydro system came in really right at capacity for the 5-year average. I mentioned before in previous quarters, that our supply division has been quite busy working on several projects that will feed into the Montana assets optimization study. And that involves looking at various scenarios in an attempt to integrate and operate this great diverse set of assets, the dams and other Montana facilities to operate them as efficiently as possible, to meet the needs of our customers and probably many of you saw the recent news that power and energy, of course formerly part of PPL, announced the sale of 292 megawatts of hydro generation or $860 million and that was purchased by Brookfield renewables. And that’s comparing to the 439 megawatts of hydro generation that occurred that we repurchased for $870 million. So you can look at that either as we got 147 million megawatts for $10 million or you could look at it as Brookfield paying price of just a little bit under 3,000 kilowatts and we paid a little bit under 2,000 per kilowatt, so again we wish the markets experience in that case really affirms that this was an outstanding transaction for our customers. Turning then to water supply portfolio, not it looks like now, it’s really a kind of a remarkable and certainly a transformational place with the Beethoven acquisition by nameplate capacity in South Dakota. We are now 25% renewable and that’s including Beethoven plus contracted renewables. In Montana, by nameplate, we are 67% renewable and by actual delivered power, we are almost 60% into water or wind in Montana and it’s basically a hydro-based system in Montana. And companywide, we are 54% renewable. So, that’s again really a transformation in our delivery to our customers, particularly our Montana customers. Couple of other brief highlights. Dave Gates generating station, as you know, FERC issued its decision in April of 2014. In May of 2014, we requested rehearing. Consistent with the FERC decision, we have differed $27.3 million of revenue, that’s through September 30 of this year. We have not heard on rehearing, and I know everyone is wondering the status of that and we do have the option of dealing with the Circuit Court of Appeals depending on what we ultimately do here on rehearing. We don’t believe that impairment loss is probable at this time, but obviously we continue to evaluate the facts and circumstances change. Big Stone air quality project, the coal plant at Big Stone is subject to BART requirements for Regional Haze that’s best available retrofit technology. We have been required to install and operate the systems to reduce SO2 and NOx, our 23.4% portion of the project cost is between $95 million and $105 million capitalized $95.1 million through the end of September and that project is expected to go into service in December of this year or into January. Our distribution and transmission system investments are ongoing. We certainly see the benefits of those in the system. Total DSIP and TSIP investments are expected to be about $340 million over the next 5 years. Natural gas reserves, we do currently own 25% of our natural gas requirements for both retail customers and generation invested about $100 million through September, we like doing 50% of our requirements and that would require additional investment of probably around $100 million. Last slide, I will speak to is our capital spending forecast, who have seen this before and you see that over the next 2015 through 2019, we expect to invest about $1.45 billion. And this is in maintenance CapEx or DSIP expenditures. We do have the Big Stone investments reflected for 2015, transmission investments and then a layer of hydro- related investments on top of that. As we explained every quarter, this does not include additional projects such as the Beethoven acquisition, any future natural gas acquisitions, peaking generation investments or the like. These are the investments that are clearly in front of us right now and we do expect that we would be able to fund these through a combination of cash flows that will be assisted by the NOLs, along with long-term debt. So with that, we will open it up for your questions. Question-and-Answer Session Operator Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And we will go first to Dan Eggers with Credit Suisse. Dan Eggers Hi, good afternoon guys. First question I guess is just kind of on the tax rate moving to the higher end of the range this year. How should we be thinking about the tax rate for next year? And then how much of reduction in tax expense are we going to see because the PTCs generate out of the Beethoven? Brian Bird Yes, that’s a great question, Dan. We historically had stated that we expected our tax rate to get up to around 20% by 2017. As a result of the Beethoven transaction and the big benefit, if you will, is the PTC is associated with that transaction, that will drive our tax rate down considerably and our expectation is that we wouldn’t see that tax rate certainly that high. We expect now as it would get up into maybe the low to mid-teens by 2017. Dan Eggers What utilization ratio should we be using? I mean, because obviously, this is very volumetric to affect utility earnings, but what utilization rate should we assume on Beethoven just trying to warm our way into a tax benefit? Brian Bird I would say we would probably be in the, I don’t know that number at the top of my head. I’d have to get back to you with that, Dan. Dan Eggers Okay, got it. And then just on the gas reserves and rate base, is there anything new of substance to add either advancing on getting the next $100 million spent toward you haven’t got any interested people willing to sell reserves as gas prices continue to languish? Bob Rowe No. Again, we have looked at various opportunities, but have not found the combination of the right set of assets at the right price with the willing however, we are certainly actively looking. Brian Bird Dan, answer your – I am sorry Dan, just to answer your earlier questions, we would be around 45% for utilization rate. Dan Eggers 45% utilization. Okay, very good. Thank you. Bob, just on the – not found the right set of assets, is there – is the opportunity set getting larger or smaller at this point? Bob Rowe Well, I am not sure it’s either expanding or contracting. Dan Eggers Okay, very good. Thank you, guys. Operator Thank you. And we will go next to Paul Ridzon from KeyBanc. Paul Ridzon Just a follow-on on Beethoven the benefits of the PTCs accrued rate payers, I assume? Brian Bird Rob, actually we are allowed to capture what we would expect to get from earnings in an asset like that, but ultimately the benefit of PTC is also accretive to customers. Paul Ridzon And if there is variability in wind, does that sold to the fuel cost or is there an assumed wind resource and there could be some earnings variability around that? Brian Bird It does flow through. Paul Ridzon Okay, great. And then any sense kind of what FERC’s thinking is with regards to Dave Gates, I mean, where is it in their stack of work? Bob Rowe We don’t know and I am not sure that there is any real FERC thinking on that issue. That is not intent to be critical. I don’t have the sense if it’s a very visible manner. Paul Ridzon And then do you have any recourse on the LRAM, can you appeal that and if not, how much of that do you think you can offset? Bob Rowe I would say we are looking at the decision and we will make an appropriate decision about what recourse we have. Beyond that, the reality is that regulatory decisions federal or state affect our ability to invest in serving our customers and that’s just a function of being a regulated utility. So, we have to ultimately deal with decisions, such as eliminating the LRAM by managing our budget. And it does have an effect on our ability to invest in operations. Now, that said again at some point, when a rate case is filed, that essentially resets the base. But regulatory decisions of any kind are very powerful in driving our ability to invest in serving our customers. Paul Ridzon And what’s your latest thought about when the next Montana case to be filed? Bob Rowe Well, again, as I say we will be looking at all of our jurisdictions in the spring, typically in April and we will make decisions after that. Paul Ridzon Thank you very much. Bob Rowe Thank you. Operator Thank you. And we will go next to Jonathan Reeder from Wells Fargo Securities. Jonathan Reeder Hey, actually most of my questions have been answered already, but I did want to follow-up on the LRAM, so what’s in guidance right now? It’s the loss of the $7.1 million adjust pro rata for essentially Q4 for 2015, is that right? Brian Bird Yes, that’s right. The order doesn’t go in effect until December 1. We have taken that all into consideration. Jonathan Reeder The order doesn’t go in effect until December 1. Okay. And then as we look to 2016, we would expect, I guess sort of the full year impact until essentially your next rate case where then you can hopefully get that encompassed under your base rates? Brian Bird Yes. That’s correct. Jonathan Reeder Is that the right way to think about it? Brian Bird That’s correct. Jonathan Reeder Okay. And then if you could Brian, could you also expand a little bit on that gas tracker decision you alluded to? Brian Bird Yes. What effectively has happened there we have been putting our gas assets – gas production assets into the tracker, as you – with the intent, ultimately of those assets going into rate base for either a standalone filling or through a full natural gas rate case, costs in those particular items do change. And as a result of that, some of those costs were not allowed in the tracker. Jonathan Reeder Okay. And what was the extent, I mean was it a material portion or…? Brian Bird Well, $1.6 million. Jonathan Reeder $1.6 million. Okay, alright. Thank you very much. Bob Rowe Thanks Jonathan. Operator [Operator Instructions] And we will go next to Doug Christopher from Crowell, Weedon. Doug Christopher Hi. Thank you very much. I wanted to go back to the comment that you made on taxes and that was that in the press release, you currently expect your tax rate to range between 17% and 19% for 2015, but then indicating that by 2017 actually you would be at the low to mid-teens rate? Brian Bird Yes. I think to think about what Beethoven is going to do, ultimately Beethoven on a standalone basis is going to have a detriment from a pretax perspective, but the benefits from the PTC is ultimately going to improve net income. And so think about that improvement to the tax rates ultimately reducing our tax rate. So that will put us down. And we haven’t talked about our range for 2016 yet, from a tax rate perspective. As I pointed out, we do expect to be in that low to mid-teens by 2017. Doug Christopher Okay, thank you. And then on the natural gas, the goal of increasing the natural gas assets, since company has been discussing this and it’s been an objective, natural gas prices have deteriorated further, does that mean for the $100 million potential you will be able to get more reserves than you could a year ago? Bob Rowe Certainly, yes and again it’s a great time from a customer perspective to be doing these kinds of transactions. The challenge we have is just identifying projects where we can transact, but it’s – if we can get that done it’s a huge win for customers. Doug Christopher Thank you. Operator Thank you. And we will go next to Paul Patterson from Glenrock Associates. Paul Patterson Good afternoon. It’s Paul Patterson. Bob Rowe Hi, Paul. Brian Bird Hi, Paul. Paul Patterson Hi. Just a couple of quick ones, on the LRAM, it was a unanimous decision I think, right. And I mean it seems like it was quite a reversal, any thoughts as to what sort of philosophically is now occurring at the commission with respect to this issue and so there – there is sort of [indiscernible] action to it? Bob Rowe I am going to let the commission speak for itself. You are right. This was a unanimous decision and it takes Montana Commission in a bit of a different direction from many states around the country, which have adopted more true decoupling mechanisms. As a company, we are committed to providing our customers the best diversified cost effective portfolio of resources possible, including energy efficiency. But as a result of the fact that prices for electricity and natural gas as opposed to for example, home services are volumetric, you have to have a strategy to be able to cover your costs and earn a return. And I am concerned that when a world where energy efficiency and in a country where energy efficiency is an increasing priority, we just haven’t got that figured out. But again, I acknowledge the commissioner’s sincere concern to ensure that customers are treated fairly and hope we can work with them on an alternative mechanism that was notable that there were some interest in revisiting was subject to the decoupling mechanism and actually Montana did have decoupling in the 1990s, prior to supply deregulation, so there may be an opportunity to take another look at that. Paul Patterson Okay. And then you mentioned there will be reset and I apologize if I missed this, but you mentioned that you would have reset it within the next rate case, and I am just wondering if you could give us a little more of a feeling as to – and I might have missed this so apologize because I got distracted, but if there is any timing that you guys could give us in terms of when you guys plan on having the next rate case? Bob Rowe No, I think my comment to that question was we look at each jurisdiction and each sector in spring, typically in April. So we would make a decision for Montana gas and electric for example, at that time. Paul Patterson Okay. Can you tell us what the earned ROE for the last 12 months is and the last surveillance reporting date was for your jurisdiction? Brian Bird No. I don’t have that information with me Paul, at this time. We do file in Montana, what’s called an annual report that shows what that return is. And that would – the last one we filed would have been for ‘14. My recollection is for ‘14, our electric was approximately 11% and our gas was approximately 9%. Paul Patterson Has that changed a lot since then? Brian Bird Difficult to say, obviously we have got to run our numbers here through the end of the year to be able to update those numbers in the February timetable. Paul Patterson Okay. In terms of Big Stone station, what happens when it actually gets into – when it actually is completed just accounting wise, do you start to depreciate it, is there any sort of regulatory treatment for it just if you can remind us how – when that facility is in rate base sort of – or excuse me when it’s completed, what happens then accounting-wise, do you follow me? Brian Bird Yes, up until it’s actually put into rate base. We have been able to earn AFUDC on the investment. And our expectation is near to the end of the year when ultimately that asset is going to go into a rate base, AFUDC of course will stop, but we will also then start getting the revenue requirement associated with that investment as it is a rate base – as an asset in rate base at that time. Paul Patterson So you guys will get revenue for it, does that happen automatically or does have to be a rate base, I guess is what I am…? Brian Bird That is part of the settlement that we have with the staff at this point in time that will be ultimately rules on, on October 29. Bob Rowe Alight. So, it will be presented on October 29. Brian Bird Thank you. Presented. Thank you, Bob. Paul Patterson And then Dave Gates, just on terms we have been hearing I mean I have noticed with some FERC cases, that it can be several years for these guys to actually address rehearing, I just noticed that in the last couple of meetings, that they were sort of cleaning… Bob Rowe [Indiscernible] Paul Patterson Right. So I mean I guess is there any like I mean timeframe here that where there is no actual number you are hearing that you have to I mean you can’t ask – you can’t go to court until there is a final ruling on rehearing, if I am correct. Is – would there be any potential impairment that could happen if in fact this drags on and we don’t have anything coming out of FERC? Bob Rowe We are evaluating on a regular basis, whether or not there is any potential for an impairment and at this point we don’t think so. Your other comment is correct that the decision on rehearing is necessary both for judicial appeal. Paul Patterson Okay. And then just finally with the repairs tax impact that you guys are benefiting from, does that have any impact in a future rate case in terms of impacting rate base and what have you, how should we think about that if you were to go into a rate case, how the benefit associated with repairs deduction might – may or may not impact a rate case in the future? Brian Bird So ultimately those benefits will accrue to customers in the next rate case is what happens is it ultimately reduces your effective tax rate. And that the new lower effective tax rate would be the tax rate that you would be able to earn on in the next rate case. Paul Patterson Okay. But what you have taken so far that wouldn’t impact rate base or anything like that, correct? Brian Bird No. Paul Patterson Okay. And I think that is all my questions. Thanks so much. Brian Bird Thank you, Paul. Operator Thank you. And we will go next to Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc. Paul Ridzon Just a quick follow-up, when do you expect to burn to your tax shield? Brian Bird Thanks Paul for that question. The answer again, we are assuming there is not another bonus extension, but obviously we don’t know the answer of that right now, but we are still holding true to the fact that we believe that into 2017 we will still be utilizing NOLs. Paul Ridzon And do you have any read on prospects of bonus being extended? Brian Bird Well, we certainly having people kind of look into that, but they don’t have the answers yet themselves. Paul Ridzon Okay. Thanks again. Operator Thank you. And we will go next to from Joe Zhou from Avon Capital Advisors. Andrew Levi Hi, it’s Andrew Levi. How are doing? Brian Bird Hi Andy. Andrew Levi Just two questions, just to follow-up on Paul’s question on the repair tax, why would that not be an adjustment to rate base? Brian Bird Ultimately, like anything that adjusts on effective tax rate, effective tax rate ultimately is a pass to customers in the next rate case. Andrew Levi That’s a dollar amount, so I am just trying on this, because in other states I believe, if I am not mistaken, that there generally is an adjustment to rate base, so I am just curious…? Brian Bird Andy, it’s a function of the flow-through state in Montana. Andrew Levi Got it, flow through state. Okay. And then the second question I had was just on natural gas acquisitions, I understand that you quoted dollar amount always, but is there a way to determine or have you talked about maybe I just don’t have it, the amount of actual gas your are looking to buy before the customer, that would – so because $100 million, but then, because as you said, the assets have – the price of the assets have changed, it’s kind of hard to determine how much gas you are looking to, I think in the past you have put a percent of your total load or something like that or…? Bob Rowe Yes. Sort of the rule of thumb and it really is just the rule of thumb is that we would like to have about 50% of our requirements, both for retail gas and for our electric generation needs and we could get that done through our market prices for about $100 million. Andrew Levi Okay. And how much do you have currently of that 50%? Brian Bird We have 6 Bcf of gas and we would like to get another 6 Bcf. So obviously, if price continues to stay low, we could do something less than $100 million as well. Andrew Levi Okay. 6 Bcf, that’s what I was looking for, great. Thank you very much. Operator And we will go next to Doug Christopher from Crowell, Weedon. Doug Christopher Hi. Thank you for taking my follow-up call. It’s Crowell, Weedon and D.A. Davidson. It sounds like you have been great stewards, you have been adding renewable. And not only that you have been buying at attractive prices, as you indicated with the hydro comparison than enhancing the reliability of the assets as well, is there any sense in the discussions I guess the commissioners, the regulators that this has been at least positive in your relationship or getting your requests through? Bob Rowe I think generally that well, more generally, the acquisitions of the hydro system has been recognized as a true long-term positive for our customers. And the commission obviously did strongly support that. Doug Christopher And have you looked at this, I can’t recall. Does this make you the most kind of renewable utility or at least one of them, right? Bob Rowe We are definitely one of the most renewable utilities and certainly there are companies that might have more hydro capacity than we do in some regions. And there are utilities obviously that have lots of nuclear as well. So we are very proud of having in Montana a hydro based system with each of the resources contributing a tremendous amount of value to the diversity, was frustrating to us. One of the things that had concern is that if you look at pounds of carbon per megawatt hour of generation, our Montana fleet is actually already right now, lower than the EPA’s target for Montana in 2030 and that’s to me kind of amazing. But under the EPA formula, we don’t get credit for any of that. So there is something fundamentally flawed. We and our customers have already made investments and that we are transformational from an environmental perspective and how we generate power and what we get for it is focus. Doug Christopher Well, you’re being good stewards, keep up the good work. Thank you. Bob Rowe Thank you very much. And the stewardship role that we play is one that we are extremely proud of. Operator [Operator Instructions] There are no further questions in the queue at this time. Bob Rowe Great. Well, thank you all very much for your interest and a good discussion. I know we will see you – many of you at the financial conference coming up. Otherwise, we will talk to you next quarter. Take care. Operator That does conclude today’s conference. Thank you for your participation.