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Eversource Energy (ES) Q3 2015 Results – Earnings Call Transcript

Eversource Energy (NYSE: ES ) Q3 2015 Earnings Call November 03, 2015 9:00 am ET Executives Jeffrey R. Kotkin – Vice President-Investor Relations James J. Judge – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President Leon J. Olivier – EVP-Energy Strategy & Business Development Analysts Julien Dumoulin-Smith – UBS Securities LLC Shahriar Pourreza – Guggenheim Securities LLC Daniel Eggers – Credit Suisse Securities (NYSE: USA ) LLC (Broker) Travis Miller – Morningstar Research Caroline V. Bone – Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc. Greg Gordon – Evercore ISI Michael J. Lapides – Goldman Sachs & Co. Paul Patterson – Glenrock Associates LLC Andrew M. Weisel – Macquarie Capital ( USA ), Inc. Operator Welcome to the Eversource Energy Third Quarter Earnings Call. My name is Brandon, and I will be your operator for today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question-and-answer session. Please note that this conference is being recorded. And I will now turn the call over to Mr. Jeff Kotkin. You may begin, sir. Jeffrey R. Kotkin – Vice President-Investor Relations Thank you, Brandon. Good morning and thank you for joining us. I’m Jeff Kotkin, Eversource Energy’s Vice President for Investor Relations. Some of the statements made during this investor call may be forward-looking as defined within the meaning of the Safe Harbor provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward statements are based on management’s current expectations and are subject to risk and uncertainty, which may cause the actual results to differ materially from forecasts and projections. Some of these factors are set forth in the news release issued yesterday. Additional information about the various factors that may cause actual results to differ can be found in our Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2014 and our quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the three months ended June 30, 2015. Additionally, our explanation of how and why we use certain non-GAAP measures is contained within our news release and the slides we posted last night on our website under Presentations and Webcasts and in our most recent 10-K and 10-Q. Speaking today will be Jim Judge, our Executive Vice President and CFO; and Lee Olivier, our Executive Vice President for Enterprise Energy Strategy and Business Development. Also joining us today are Werner Schweiger, our Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, Phil Lembo, our Vice President and Treasurer; Jay Buth, our Vice President and Controller; and John Moreira, our Vice President of Financial Planning and Analysis. Now I will turn over the call to Jim. James J. Judge – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President Thank you, Jeff, and thank you all for joining us this morning. Today I will cover our third quarter financial results, which were in line with our guidance range for the full year and update on several legislative and regulatory items and I’ll close with an update on certain transmission projects. Let me start with slide four and our financial results. Excluding integration costs, we earned $237.6 million or $0.75 per share in the third quarter of 2015, identical to our earnings in the third quarter of 2014 and in line with Wall Street’s expectations. Over the first nine months of 2015, we earned $704.5 million or $2.21 per share excluding integration costs compared with earnings of $611.3 million or $1.93 per share in the first nine months of 2014. As a result of our strong results to-date and our current expectations for the fourth quarter, we have narrowed our full-year earnings projection to $2.80 to $2.85 per share from $2.75 to $2.90 per share. Turning to slide five. The most significant driver in the third quarter was higher retail electric revenues. This reflects the outcome of last year’s Connecticut Light & Power distribution rate case and hotter third quarter weather in 2015, the latter of which benefited the distribution results at NSTAR Electric and Public Service of New Hampshire. Cooling degree days in Boston were up about 29% for the current quarter compared to the same period last year and in Concord, New Hampshire they were up nearly 60%. You will recall that Connecticut Light & Power and Western Mass Electric both have implemented revenue decoupling so they did not benefit from the 4.5% increase in retail electric sales that we experienced across the system this summer. Also benefiting us in the quarter was low O&M which added $0.02 per share to earnings. Offsetting these gains were higher property taxes, depreciation and amortization expense, which has been a $0.06 per share drag on earnings every quarter this year. We also had lower results in our transmission segment and in our parent and other segments. Both segments were each down about $0.04 per share as a result of a higher effective tax rate. In the case of transmission, it was due to certain state income tax benefits in the third quarter of 2014 that did not recur this year. At the parent, as we mentioned in the earnings news release it was the result of adjusting income tax expense to what was actually filed with our corporate tax return in the third quarter. Turning to slide six, for the nine period higher electric revenues have added $0.34 per share to earnings. Again, this was primarily the result of the Connecticut Light & Power distribution rate case and to a lesser extent a weather driven 1.8% increase in retail sales. On a weather adjusted basis, retail sales were up 0.1% through the first nine months of the year which is consistent with our guidance. Also benefiting year-to-date results were higher transmission segment earnings that added $0.05 per share and are due to a combination of a higher level of investment in our system and a lower level of charges related to FERC’s ongoing review of the New England transmission owners return on equity. Offsetting the impact of those benefits was the higher effective tax rate mentioned previously. Year-to-date, gas segment earnings are up $13.3 million or 30% compared with the same period of 2014. The year-to-date improvement is related primarily to a 4.8% increase in retail sales. About half of that sales increase is the result of the bitter cold weather that we had in the first quarter and the other half is related to growth in the business with weather adjusted firm natural gas sales up 2.5% through September. Through September 30 of this year, we’ve added nearly 8,000 residential heating customers compared with just over 7,100 during the same period last year. On the non-residential, side which includes commercial, industrial and municipal customers, we’ve added 710 customers through September, about a 4% increase over the same nine-months of last year. In terms of costs, lower non-tracked O&M has been a $0.10 per share benefit on a year-to-date basis. We are currently doing somewhat better than expected in non-tracked O&M expense. This primarily reflects a decline in labor and labor related costs and lower bad debt expense. Some of this is timing, so we anticipate some portion of this lower than expected O&M will turnaround next quarter. Also as I mentioned on our July earnings call, the reduction in total O&M that you’ll see in our income statement in the 10-Q is heightened by the sale earlier this year of E.S. Boulos, an electrical contracting company. That accounted for about $42 million of cost reductions, but that did not help the bottom-line since we lost a similar amount of revenue. Looking ahead to the fourth quarter, we expect the impact of higher effective tax rate to continue. In 2014, our effective tax rate for the full year was about 36%. This year we expect the full year rate to be between 37.5% and 38%. Additionally, you will recall that in the fourth quarter of last year we recognized a higher equity return on our transmission assets for the refund period related to our interpretation of the FERC decision on the New England transmission ROEs. Because we don’t expect to have a similar impact in the fourth impact this year we expect recurring earnings in the fourth quarter to be between $0.59 and $0.64 per share compared with $0.72 per share in the fourth quarter of 2014. We have narrowed our full year recurring earnings guidance to between $2.80 and $2.85 per share. This guidance shows solid earnings growth for the year and is very consistent with our targeted long term annual growth rate of 6% to 8%. In terms of operations, our electric and natural gas delivery systems have performed very well through September 30th. Our electric reliability metrics which represent the average number of months between interruptions and outage duration continue to track very favorably. As previously reported, our reliability for 2014 was the best ever. In 2015 is tracking even better again, so potentially another record year. In fact, looking at our performance long term, we have experienced more than a 50% improvement in reliability over the past five years, the highest performance level ever for our systems. Turing to regulatory items in slide seven, NSTAR Gas is our distribution company with a rate case this year. On Friday October 30, the Massachusetts DPU issued an order approving a $15.8 million increase in NSTAR Gas base distribution rates effective January 1, 2016. The decision approved revenue decoupling, a 9.8% ROE, a 52.1% equity ratio and a rate base of $475 million. We continue to review the decision, but consider it a reasonable outcome. Also in Massachusetts, in August, we and the state’s other electric utilities filed DPU requested proposals to modernize the state’s electric grid. A five-year plan recommends a wide range of enhancements that among other initiatives would increase the integration and resilience of the grid and will provide customers an option to access advanced meters and provide them an opportunity to sign up for time varying rates. The spending associated with our five-year proposal would be about $430 million, mostly capital investment, beginning in 2017. The spending would be incremental to our previously disclosed forecasts. Recovery of our investments with the return would be accomplished through a new cost tracker. We expect the DPU to act on our proposal next year. In New Hampshire, hearings before the New Hampshire PUC on the divestiture of our power plants have been moved from December to January due to a lengthier discovery process. We expect a Commission decision in the first quarter of 2016, completion of the plant sale by the end of 2016 and the securitization process completed in early 2017. Now turning to slide eight, I’ll provide a brief update on some significant transmission projects. Our share of the Interstate Reliability Project in northeastern Connecticut is now 99.5% complete, with the final cost we continue to estimate at $218 million. We have also filed with the Connecticut Siting Council for five of the 27 projects included in the $350 million Greater Hartford set of solutions. All five, including three substation projects, have now been approved by the Siting Council and are under construction. Together those five projects under construction totaled about $100 million. We continue to estimate that all Greater Hartford projects will be completed by the end of 2018. In Massachusetts, we have increased our projected expenditures on the Greater Boston Reliability Solution from $490 million to $544 million. As you can see from the slide, we have filed five Siting applications to-date and expect to be working on related projects through 2018 and into 2019. Most recently, an application for a new 345kV line from Woburn to Wakefield was filed with the Massachusetts Energy Facilities Siting Board by Eversource and National Grid on September 25. It is currently estimated to cost $107 million. All together, our capital expenditures totaled $1.3 billion in the first nine months of the year, $522 million of which was spent on our electric transmission system. At this point last year, our capital expenditures totaled $1.1 billion, of which $459 million was spent on transmission. So you can see we continue to raise our level of investment in our electric and natural gas delivery systems. We continue to project total capital expenditures of $1.85 billion this year and we’ll update our projections for the four years beginning with 2016 during our year-end call in February. That concludes my formal remarks. As always, next week we will be attending the EEI Financial Conference and I hope to see many of you there. Now I’ll turn the call over to Lee. Leon J. Olivier – EVP-Energy Strategy & Business Development Okay. Thanks, Jim. I’ll provide you with a brief update on our major capital initiatives and then return the call back to Jeff for Q&As. Let’s start with Northern Pass in slide 10. On August 18, we announced our Forward New Hampshire Plan, which included substantial revisions to our recommended route. Most of those route changes involve the central section of the project where we are now proposing to build 52 miles of the project underground rather than overhead along existing transmission rights of way. We’ve also downsized the project from 1,200 megawatts to 1,090 megawatts as a result of our plans to use a different DC technology that carries less power, but is less costly to install. For much of the overhead section, we are also proposing to use many more (14:58) rather than traditional lattice towers to reduce the visual impact. Additionally, as part of our Forward New Hampshire Plan, we announced our intent to provide $200 million of support to the state over the next 20 years to support important initiatives in tourism, economic development, community investment and clean energy innovation, should Northern Pass be built and placed into operation. We had a very positive reaction to the Forward New Hampshire Plan, which has now been endorsed by a wide range of business, labor and political leaders, both state and municipal, in New Hampshire. We held five public meetings on the project in the state in early September and filed our siting application with the New Hampshire Site Evaluation Committee on October 19. The filing highlights the significant direct benefits the project will bring to New Hampshire which we estimate to be more than $3 billion, they include $80 million per year of lower energy costs over the next 10 years, $30 million per year of increased property tax revenues and $2 billion of increased economic activity driven in part by the creation of 2,400 jobs during the construction period. The benefits also include reducing the region’s carbon emissions by approximately 3 million tons per year. We have illustrated the carbon reduction requirements of the three states we serve on slide 11. The challenge the region faces meeting those requirements were were made more difficult last month, when Entergy announced that it will retire the Pilgrim Nuclear Power plant no later than June of 2019. That shutdown in and itself is expected to increase carbon emissions by 2 million tons to 3 million tons a year. The closure of Vermont Yankee nearly a year ago increased carbon emissions by a similar amount. This is a particular issue for Massachusetts which is targeting a greenhouse gas emissions goal of 71 million tons by 2025, a reduction of 23 million tons from the 94 million tons emitted in 1990. Massachusetts plans to achieve 10 million tons of that reduction from the electric power sector and more than half of that is expected to come from the new clean energy sources such as Canadian hydropower, but the state’s efforts will clearly be challenged by the impact of Pilgrim’s retirement. Governor Baker filed legislation this past summer that calls on the state to purchase up to 18.9 million megawatt hours annually of clean hydroelectric power and other renewable energy. That equates to about 2,400 megawatts of capacity. He personally testified on behalf of the bill in September. We will closely monitor its progress. All of these developments point to the significant need the region has for Northern Pass, which would represent the largest single new source of clean, firm power available to the region. Turning to slide 12, let’s talk about our next steps on Northern Pass. On the state side the New Hampshire SEC has until mid-December to determine whether the application we filed last month is complete. Once it makes that finding, the Site Evaluation Committee will then have up to 12 months to conclude its review and vote on the project application. During that period, we will continue to boost significant opportunities for public input. Early in that 12-month review process Northern Pass will host another round of public information sessions about the project and the New Hampshire SEC will hold its own round of public comment sessions. The state process will run in parallel to the Federal process. The DOE is currently preparing a supplement to the Draft EIS to reflect the changes we announced on August 18, and has indicated that it will complete that supplement this month. As a result, we expect the DOE to hold public hearings in New Hampshire in December to receive public inputs on the Draft EIS. DOE already has asked that written comments on the draft be filed by the end of this year. With that information in hand the DOE will work to finalize the EIS perhaps in the third quarter of next year and later issue a Presidential permit for the project. We believe that the Federal permit issuance will occur shortly after the state process concludes to ensure that the permits reflect the same project configuration as approved by the state of New Hampshire. We expect to commence construction activities in early 2017 and largely conclude them around the end of 2018. As I’ve said previously, final testing of the project is expected in the spring of 2019 when electric loads in New England and Québec are relatively low. As we announced in mid-October, we expect the project to cost approximately $1.6 billion, somewhat higher than our $1.4 billion price tag we noted previously. This is due largely to the additional excavation cost associated with the incremental undergrounding. You have probably seen multiple comments from Hydro-Québec since July, reiterating their support for this project and noting that they have commenced siting activities for their transmission and substation construction on their side of the border. Our partnership remains extremely strong because of the enormous benefits this project brings to both sides of the border. As we have discussed previously, we expect Northern Pass to bid into the joint clean energy RFP that Massachusetts, Connecticut and Rhode Island first announced in February. As you can see on slide 13, Rhode Island regulators approved the RFP for issuance in September and the Massachusetts DPU approved it last week. Once the Connecticut Department of Energy and Environmental Protection signs off on the RFP, we expect it will be issued promptly. Once the RFP is issued, we expect the states will look for bids within approximately 75 days with an evaluation period to follow. We are very optimistic about the chances of Northern Pass in such a competitive solicitation. Turning to Northern Pass to our other large project Access Northeast in slide 14, we and our partners Spectra Energy and National Grid will submit our pre-filing application with the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission later today. The filing will describe the scope of the project and will commence a dialog between the project, FERC staff and key stakeholders in the process which includes soliciting public comment. Both Access Northeastern and Northern Pass are critical projects in our region’s efforts to address serious infrastructure challenges that are driving up wintertime energy cost and challenging grid reliability and our ability to meet legislatively established renewable energy and carbon reduction targets. Access Northeast will allow us to keep 5,000 megawatts of efficient natural gas generation online even during the coldest winter evenings. As you recall, the primary business model for Access Northeast is that the region’s electric distribution companies will continue – will contract for long-term natural gas capacity and then hire a third party to resell the capacity in the short term market to generators. Together the expansion of the Algonquin system and the construction of 6.8 billion cubic feet of L&G storage out of our existing facility in Acushnet, Massachusetts would provide enough gas to generators so that the winter time electricity cost should drop by approximately $1 billion a year in New England and up to $2.5 billion in the winter like we had in 2013 and 2014. The Access Northeast project is ideally suited to address to New England’s natural gas infrastructure challenges since it would involve upgrading Spectra Energy’s existing pipelines in New England. Our project is uniquely situated to deliver increased quantities of natural gas to the region’s newest and cleanest fossil generators. To remind you, Spectra and Eversource each own 40% of the project and National Grid owns 20%. We believe that most of New England states will allow their electric utilities to participate in the natural gas capacity solicitation. During our July earnings call, I summarized the process. Turning to slide 15, I will provide the update of activity over the past three months. In Connecticut, the Department of Energy and Environmental Protection is expected to launch a gas capacity solicitation late this year. In New Hampshire, the PUC staff issued a report on September 15 in which they concluded that the state utility regulators have the authority to approve such contracts as long as they are proven to have a consumer benefit. Comments on that report were filed with the New Hampshire PUC in mid October. In Massachusetts the DPU ruled on October 2 that it has statutory authority to approve capacity contracts signed by electric distribution companies. The electric utilities of Eversource and National Grid in Massachusetts and Rhode Island launched a gas capacity open solicitation with proposals due November 13. In Maine, the Central Maine Power recently submitted comments to the Maine Commission recommending that the state proceeding to be expanded to consider regional solutions including in particular Access Northeast. We remain optimistic that we will be able to file contracts with state regulators by the end of this year or early next year and have them approved by the middle of 2016. We expect to make our formal filing at FERC later in 2016 and expect to bring major sections of the pipeline into service for the winter of 2018-2019, assuming expeditious approvals by Federal and state authorities. Because of the longer construction timeline for LNG facilities, we anticipate the storage element of the project to commence service after the pipeline. So now what I’d like to do is turn the call back over to Jeff for Q&A. Jeffrey R. Kotkin – Vice President-Investor Relations Thank you, Lee. And I’m going to turn it back to Brandon to remind you how to enter questions. Brandon? Question-and-Answer Session Operator Thank you. Jeffrey R. Kotkin – Vice President-Investor Relations Great. Thank you, Brandon. First question this morning is from Julien Dumoulin-Smith from UBS. Good morning, Julien. Julien Dumoulin-Smith – UBS Securities LLC Morning, Jeff. Good morning, team. James J. Judge – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President Good morning. Leon J. Olivier – EVP-Energy Strategy & Business Development Hi, there. Julien Dumoulin-Smith – UBS Securities LLC Yeah. So perhaps just first quick question, if you will. Obviously, with developments at Pilgrim they have ramifications. You’ve kind of alluded to them. I’d be specifically interested in how does it impact transmission planning at ISO New England and could we see that float through here in the next year? And then separately, could you speak to the wider procurement process and how the carbon impact could drive specifically procurement for your solution effort? How is that going to tangibly have the impact on Northern Pass? Leon J. Olivier – EVP-Energy Strategy & Business Development Okay. Just on your question, I think you asked in regards to Pilgrim retiring. One of the things that we’re doing now is we’re doing our system modeling around the impacts of Pilgrim retiring. And understanding what that means to reliability in that region because ISO New England does this as well and we have been quite complete about. We expect that there will be some upgrades as a result of Pilgrim retiring, but we don’t see those upgrades at this particular time as being significant upgrades in terms of CapEx. In regards to Northern Pass and the carbon mandate, clearly right now as a result of Pilgrim retiring and stat is that Pilgrim produced 84% of all of Massachusetts’ non-carbon energy about 84%. So Massachusetts has very aggressive goals in carbon reduction, as I’ve sated and as you can see on the slide. And the Governor, Governor Baker has said that he intends to meet the goals that the previous administrations had put in place. And that one of the ways to do that is by having large amounts of Canadian hydropower delivered to the region, and one could assume that in the case of Massachusetts they see part of their solution being with hydropower. And of course the difference between hydropower and wind is hydropower is firm. You can book it, you can schedule it, you can add up the numbers and determine the carbon impact of that and you can clearly place those against your goal. So we think carbon will be a significant attribute on which the state will be looking for us as part of the three state RFP. Julien Dumoulin-Smith – UBS Securities LLC Got it. And then just quickly following up here on the developments on the EIS, just the need to re-file impacted all of your negotiations in New Hampshire or does that reset any processes as far as that’s going? Leon J. Olivier – EVP-Energy Strategy & Business Development No, we think we’ve had a period of a couple of years of really significant outreach into the communities with key stakeholders in the state, political leaders. We think we have a route that works, that is captured in our filing. And of course, as always when you go through siting there is always some local mitigation that a siting council would put in place, but we don’t feel that that would be significant or have a significant impact to the project. Julien Dumoulin-Smith – UBS Securities LLC But to be clear the settlement conversations with New Hampshire will continue? Leon J. Olivier – EVP-Energy Strategy & Business Development We actually have no settlement conversations with New Hampshire. We have provided our Forward New Hampshire Plan which really outlines our benefits to the state. Those have been extremely well received by everyone from the Governor to key legislative leaders and the business community. So we’re not in the process of negotiating a settlement. We believe that a litigated outcome here through the process is the best outcome and is an outcome that will stand up to scrutiny post the decision. Julien Dumoulin-Smith – UBS Securities LLC Great. Thank you. Leon J. Olivier – EVP-Energy Strategy & Business Development You’re welcome. Jeffrey R. Kotkin – Vice President-Investor Relations Thank you, Julian. Next question is from Shar Pourreza from Guggenheim. Good morning, Shar. Shahriar Pourreza – Guggenheim Securities LLC Good morning, Jeff. Good morning, team. Leon J. Olivier – EVP-Energy Strategy & Business Development Good morning. Shahriar Pourreza – Guggenheim Securities LLC Just one question only on Northern Pass. Maybe we could touch on TDI’s competing proposal. Obviously, Clean Power Link has a similar COD. They jumped ahead with the final EIS. But then like you touched on the prepared remarks, you’re dealing with the Vermont Yankee shutdown, the recent Pilgrim decision, you’ve got the Clean Power Plan, obviously infrastructures issues, the Governor’s bill. So should we think about these projects as mutually exclusive? Can they coexist? How should we think about that? Leon J. Olivier – EVP-Energy Strategy & Business Development Well, I think in regards to the first part of your question in regards to TDI, I won’t speak for them, but they’ll have to line up a source of energy in which they could sell over that line. And the energy, at least from Hydro-Québec from their hydro facilities, will come through the Northern Pass line. We have a contract with them that we’ve worked out several years ago and they are currently in the siting process, which is actually a fairly lengthy process in Québec. It’s about a three-year process. They are in that process with us to site transmission line, a major substation, a converter in Québec and are engaged in no other siting activity. So from the standpoint of TDI, their power is not coming from Hydro-Québec, they would have to find another source of power. If you look at the other various projects, there will be a number of projects that will be bid into the three-state RFP and then perhaps even including another project by Eversource that we are working on development at this point in time. So there will be a number of those projects and the states that participate in the process will have to look at those to understand what is the most beneficial net present value for customers, what projects are indeed siteable and the creditability of the counter parties that would be building them. So that’s I think the rationale there. Shahriar Pourreza – Guggenheim Securities LLC Okay. Thanks so much. Jeffrey R. Kotkin – Vice President-Investor Relations All right. Thanks, Shar. Next question is from Dan Eggers from Credit Suisse. Morning, Dan. Daniel Eggers – Credit Suisse Securities ( USA ) LLC (Broker) Hey. Good morning, guys. Leon J. Olivier – EVP-Energy Strategy & Business Development Hey, Dan. Daniel Eggers – Credit Suisse Securities ( USA ) LLC (Broker) Just could we follow-up a little bit on this Massachusetts electric grid modernization program and just what was the genesis of these projects, the nature of what you’re going to do there? And when next year do you expect to get some visibility on spending for those projects? James J. Judge – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President Sure. I think as my comments indicated, the spending is expected to be about $430 million and there’s a series of components. We filed this back in mid-August, but next-generation remote fault circuit indicators, improvements to allow management of the distribution system, predictive outage protection, that sort of thing. So a lot of focus in the industry about making the grid more modern, smarter, more capable to accommodate distributed resources. So much of the spending is along the lines to achieve that. And, again, the budget we’ve submitted is a $430 million number. Daniel Eggers – Credit Suisse Securities ( USA ) LLC (Broker) And the process for the Commission to say yes on this and set the mechanism so you get more timely recovery… James J. Judge – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President Yeah. The… Daniel Eggers – Credit Suisse Securities ( USA ) LLC (Broker) …what process are we looking at for that? James J. Judge – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President Well, the process came out of the generic proceeding at the Mass DPU where the utilities were encouraged to file these plans. The utilities in Massachusetts did file them this year and the expectation is that they’ll be reviewed and assessed and hopefully approved within the next year. Daniel Eggers – Credit Suisse Securities ( USA ) LLC (Broker) Okay. James J. Judge – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President Hopefully by early 2016. Daniel Eggers – Credit Suisse Securities ( USA ) LLC (Broker) Early 2016, okay. And then I guess just looking at the Pilgrim implications, Entergy is talking about no later than 2019. Some of your big projects are coming at that 2018, 2019 crux point as well. How do you guys look at system reliability? And is there going to be a more meaningful shortfall of resource if you can’t get Northern Pass or the NESCOE pipes done on the timelines you guys provided today? James J. Judge – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President Well, just looking at system planning in that period of time, in the 2017 period you will have Brayton Point will be gone, which is 1500 megawatts to 1600 megawatts of coal fired generation which has played a pivotal role during these winter periods, that will be gone. Pilgrim will be gone in the 2019 timeframe. So it’s really imperative that we get our Access Northeast project phased in starting in the winter 2018, 2019 and that is clearly one of the points that we’re making to key policymakers and including regulators. So to the extent that we don’t have some amount of that gas flowing in, then the system could be very, very tight in terms of reliability, which, what will mean is that the existing plants that can dual fuel and burn oil will probably burn a lot more oil like they did in the winter of 2013, 2014. So things could be very, very tight during that period. Daniel Eggers – Credit Suisse Securities ( USA ) LLC (Broker) I guess, Lee, just one last one. If you think about the approvals you need for the NESCOE to get done, where are you most nervous right now about being able to hit the 2018, 2019 targets? Leon J. Olivier – EVP-Energy Strategy & Business Development For Access Northeast, we need to go through this open solicitation that we have in Connecticut and Rhode Island. We need to have Connecticut, which is going to go through its own state-managed RFP. We need that to happen. And really what happens is that after you go through and you get them approved, you’ve got to get the PUCs that will approve these contracts and the regulatory timeline in each of the states is a little bit different. Connecticut is going later, but has a very, very short regulatory timeline. Turnaround is usually about 60 days, so they actually may go late, but finished first. Massachusetts has a longer timeline. So we expect a whole of these things to come together late this year, early next year, and determine who the winners of this open solicitation and RFP is, and in some case, states such as Maine, it just maybe, New Hampshire just maybe filing up a proceeding agreement in the states of having the PUC approved. So meanwhile in parallel, we’ll really later today file our FERC pre-filing that really opens up a complete process of 13 separate individual reports that we will file. The whole idea of that FERC pre-filing process is to try to reach alignment around the end of it which takes about a year such that when you file the final agreement with FERC, the review process can be expedited. So really right now it’s a combination of getting through the state process and then supporting the FERC pre-filing process. Daniel Eggers – Credit Suisse Securities ( USA ) LLC (Broker) Got it. Thank you very much. Jeffrey R. Kotkin – Vice President-Investor Relations All right, Thanks, Dan. Next question is from Ashar Khan (39:24) from Visium. Good morning, Ashar (39:25). Unknown Speaker Hi, good morning. How are you guys doing? Leon J. Olivier – EVP-Energy Strategy & Business Development Good morning. Unknown Speaker I was just trying to – we’re running LTM $2.94 and the guidance this morning has been the midpoint is, if I’m right, $2.83, so we’re going to lose, as you said, in the fourth quarter around $0.11 or so. Jim, can you just tell in which buckets the earnings decline is going to come in? Is it going to be the distribution generation side where majority of the shortfall is going to happen in the fourth quarter. I was just trying to pin in my – this result, as to where should we see the shortfalls, in which segments of the business in the fourth quarter? James J. Judge – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President Sure. If you look at the fourth quarter, the year ago, there were a couple of unusual items one had to do, I guess combined probably totaled about $0.09 and it’s got to do with what we’ve booked related to the FERC ROE case, so that would be in the transmission space. That’s probably half that number, half the $0;09 number. And the other half would be that the change that we’ve seen in income taxes between the two quarters, the fourth quarter a year ago, and the ones that we expect coming up. Obviously, that would be spread across each of the segments. Unknown Speaker Okay. Okay, appreciate it. And then Jim can you just – as you have mentioned as we look into 2016 and the 6% to 8% growth rate. As you mentioned that some of the spending on the pipe because of the approval process Northern Pass will be shifted. Will that lead to kind of like to be us at the lower end of that growth rate target next year. I’m just trying to see or can we find stuff to replace that shifting of some of that transmission spending as we look into next year? James J. Judge – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President Sure. Ashar (41:24) just to sort of calibrate where we are just this year. If you look at the range that we’ve provided in the release yesterday and then today, the bottom end of that range $2.80 would be about a 6% growth in earnings over last year. The high end of that range, $2.85 would be an 8% growth over where we were last year. So again very consistent with the 6% to 8% growth that we’ve provided long-term. Obviously, we’re into the 2016 budgeting process. I do feel good about where we are, but we haven’t wrapped it up yet. We tend to finish it with a board approval in early December. We would like to start the year with an approved plan. But we do have continued transmission investment. We do see O&M reduction opportunities again next year. We’ve got new gas distribution rates that will kick-in at NSTAR Gas effective January 1, the rate increase that I mentioned. We continue to see vibrant growth in the number of customers on the gas side. The conversion seems to be going pretty well. So those have been the factors that have been drivers for our earnings growth over the last couple of years and many of them continue into 2016. Unknown Speaker Okay. Okay. Appreciate it. Thank you so much. James J. Judge – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President Welcome. Jeffrey R. Kotkin – Vice President-Investor Relations Well, thanks, Ashar (42:46). Our next question is from Travis Miller from Morningstar. Good morning, Travis. Travis Miller – Morningstar Research Good morning. Thank you. I was wondering on the electric businesses and specifically, can you give us a glide path so to speak of earned ROEs, kind of where you’re starting at this year and then some of the key factors? Obviously, there’s net new investment, but what would be the elements that might keep those earned returns in that allowed return range for the next two to three years without having to file rate cases? Just wondering if you could give a sense for that glide path and the variables there for the electric business? James J. Judge – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President Sure. On the gas business, the one subsidiary that we were significantly under-earning on was NSTAR Gas and obviously the order that we received Friday improved our ability to earn there. We generally forecast pretty flat sales growth on the electric side. 0% to 0.5% is the guidance that we’ve given long term. A couple of our electric subsidiaries have decoupling, so sales growth is largely irrelevant. So we have an opportunity to continue to grow earnings either through some of these trackers that we’re putting in place, or through continued cost cutting. And we are doing much better I would say because of the cost cutting that we’ve been able to implement in terms of allowed ROEs. We continued to sort of operate within the deadband or sharing mechanisms that we have in place and they continue to generally improve year in year out. Travis Miller – Morningstar Research Okay, that’s all I had and thanks so much. Jeffrey R. Kotkin – Vice President-Investor Relations Thanks, Travis. Our next question is from Caroline Bone of Deutsche Bank. Good morning, Caroline. Caroline V. Bone – Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc. Good morning. So I was wondering if you could talk a little bit more about this other transmission project that you guys are working on that might bid into the three state RFP and what this might look like? And when it might be eligible to come into service? Leon J. Olivier – EVP-Energy Strategy & Business Development Caroline, this is Lee. At this time, I really can’t disclose more on that. We’re still working with our partners, trying to firm up what that partnership would be, and how that would work, but I would say that’s going well. And I think once we get farther down the road on that, we will look to disclose the partners and projects, so I just can’t disclose anything on it at this point in time. Caroline V. Bone – Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc. Okay, that’s fair. And then, I guess, just actually a specific question on the three state Clean Energy RFP. You mentioned I believe that Northern Pass is going to participate, but I didn’t think that NPT could participate in this stage because I didn’t think large scale hydro qualifies under the current law in Massachusetts. Has something changed there or maybe I was misunderstanding how it worked? Leon J. Olivier – EVP-Energy Strategy & Business Development Yeah. The RFP has three provisions in which you can bid on. One is just doing a kind of a power purchase agreement. The second one is doing a power purchase agreement with transmission. So you could bundle them together. And the third one was called a deliverability commitment, which means that you would build transmission to an energy source and that source of energy would make a commitment to flow X amount of energy over the course of a year, so in terms of megawatt hours. And of course particularly for carbon, you would want a source of energy that’s large, that is firm, that is dispatchable. So that’s kind of the – that’s the three ways in which the project could participate. And in the case of Connecticut, there’s probably about 250 megawatts or 300 megawatts of hydro power that could be purchased by Connecticut. And then all three states have agreed to the deliverability commitment model. Caroline V. Bone – Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc. All right. Thanks very much, guys. Leon J. Olivier – EVP-Energy Strategy & Business Development You’re welcome. Jeffrey R. Kotkin – Vice President-Investor Relations All right. Thanks, Caroline. Next question is from Greg Gordon from Evercore ISI. Good morning, Greg. Greg Gordon – Evercore ISI Thanks. How are you doing, guys? James J. Judge – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President Hey, Greg. Leon J. Olivier – EVP-Energy Strategy & Business Development Hey, Greg. Greg Gordon – Evercore ISI So just going back to – I was going back through time, just looking for the last official you gave on sort of your CapEx projections through 2018 and I believe it was in your April presentation for the Spring Utility Day for some broker. And I’m just – you’ve given kind of an update qualitatively on what you’re looking at in terms of the evolution of the CapEx plan? You have a slide on page eight where you gave an update on all the major transmission reliability projects and you talked about all those stuff? Can you just talk about like whether this $3.9 billion CapEx plan that you’ve last gave us, if you’re basically telling us that there is an upside bias to that plan because of the things that you’ve identified that would enhance customers’ reliability or whether there was a placeholder in that plan already for a lot of this stuff or somewhere in between? James J. Judge – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President And Greg I think what you’re referencing is when we did our the end of our year call back in February 2015, we used the same numbers and CapEx projections that we then embodied in our 10-K, so that’s the annual update. James J. Judge – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President Sure. I think not to fully reconcile, but what’s changed since then, I think the grid modernization plan that I mentioned earlier that’s under review at the Mass DPU, the $430 million of spending associated with that. Obviously, the cost of Northern Pass has increased and we’ve disclosed the new price went from $1.4 billion to $1.6 billion. There are increases in the Greater Boston Reliability Solution that I alluded to in my comments as well. And Lee mentioned that there may be other transmission projects that we’re looking at now that we haven’t sort of quantified or disclosed at this stage, but the progress has generally been increased spending in transmission over what was provided earlier, transmission or distribution over what was provided earlier in the year. Greg Gordon – Evercore ISI Great. Thanks. That’s pretty clear. The only reason I asked was because there is one section of those bar charts that says $968 million of other forecasted reliability projects that aren’t specifically called out. But you’re saying that all of the stuff that you just delineated would have been upside to what you thought you were going to spend when you put out this plan? James J. Judge – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President That bucket tends to be many, many smaller projects, each of which are identified and estimated, but those projects are still in the plan going forward. Greg Gordon – Evercore ISI Okay, that’s very clear. Thank you guys. James J. Judge – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President Welcome Greg. Jeffrey R. Kotkin – Vice President-Investor Relations Thanks Greg. Next question is from Michael Lapides from Goldman. Good morning, Michael. Michael J. Lapides – Goldman Sachs & Co. Hey, guys, congratulations and congrats on the run the Patriots are having up there. Real quick. When you think about the CapEx schedule, so not the total amount, but the timing for both Northern Pass and Access Northeast relative to what you had back in the K, where are you kind of schedule wise versus where you originally thought you would be 9 or 10 months ago? Leon J. Olivier – EVP-Energy Strategy & Business Development Well, we really haven’t disclosed, I don’t think, any Northern Pass capital expenditure spending by year in the 10-K. I think from the period of the 10-K, I think now that we have a new schedule that we have a high degree of confidence and there has a been some slippage over where we were a year ago on Northern Pass. So some of the spending that we had in 2016 has shifted into 2017 and similarly some of the 2017 spending into 2018. So we intend to provide a refreshed and new capital outlook as we usually do after our year-end results are published in February. But no major changes other than I would say that the new Northern Pass timeline. Michael J. Lapides – Goldman Sachs & Co. Got it. And on Access Northeast, just in terms of how you’re thinking about the timeline for construction year-over-year relative to what you had originally put out numbers a while ago? Leon J. Olivier – EVP-Energy Strategy & Business Development Yeah. James J. Judge – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President Michael, just to be clear, we never showed numbers year-by-year for Access Northeast, though we said that that was in addition to the forecast that we laid out in February. Michael J. Lapides – Goldman Sachs & Co. Got it. Thank you. Leon J. Olivier – EVP-Energy Strategy & Business Development Yeah, and just generally speaking because we haven’t really laid out the numbers and I think we’ll be in a better position in the February timeframe to give you a better look at those, but if you look between the pre-filing and the FERC final filing which will take place next year, over this period of time it’s really all environmental work and engineering work, study work and so forth. And then we would expect to get after we do our final filing with FERC in November of next year, we would expect to get a decision out of FERC in the essentially spring of 2018, so we’ll say, April timeframe. And then we would start construction and we would have the first phase of the project in for the winter of 2018, 2019. And then the next year the majority of the pipeline and then the L&G facility will phase in late in 2020 and 2021. Michael J. Lapides – Goldman Sachs & Co. Got it. Okay, guys. Last question, totally unrelated. When you think about the impact of O&M management and the ability to continue to reap O&M cost savings, where do you think you are in the process, meaning do you feel like you’ve realized a large chunk of the post-merger O&M savings at this point? Do you see yourself as still having huge runway or do you expect that runway to slow down a little bit in terms of the ability to realize cost savings over the next few years? James J. Judge – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President I think the guidance that we gave is that we do think that we can achieve on average 3% reductions right through 2018. Obviously, as you know, Michael we have delivered on those estimates. I would say that early on, clearly identifiable merger-related savings are very obvious post-merger, but at some point you transition from merger-related savings to just best practices and good cost discipline throughout the organization. So I think that’s the phase that we into enter now as the classic merger-related items become fewer and fewer the further you get away from that merger date. So we continue to be optimistic with the guidance that we’ve provided and we’ll refresh again in February for everybody. Michael J. Lapides – Goldman Sachs & Co. Got it. Thanks, guys. Much appreciate it. James J. Judge – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President Thank you. Jeffrey R. Kotkin – Vice President-Investor Relations Thanks, Michael. Next question is from Paul Patterson from Glenrock. Good morning, Paul. Paul Patterson – Glenrock Associates LLC Good morning. Just quickly on Northern Pass and the forward capacity auction number. When do you think that we’ll actually see it bid into the FCA? Leon J. Olivier – EVP-Energy Strategy & Business Development That is probably not in the immediate future. It’s really an HQ decision because they would bid that into the forward capacity market. So I don’t think you’ll see anything this year, in the next auction which I think is in February, so it’s a ways out. Paul Patterson – Glenrock Associates LLC Okay. And the reason for that? Can you provide… Leon J. Olivier – EVP-Energy Strategy & Business Development The reason for that is obviously you make the commitment, for instance, the 2019, 2020 timeframe, if you make that commitment, you’ve got to cover the commitment if for some reason that there is a delay as a result of siting or – we still have to do some work with ISO New England in the Market Monitor and so forth. So we still have some technical issues, market issues to work out through them. So you want to get farther along in those discussions, you want to have a better sense around where the siting process is before you commit to 1,100 megawatts into the marketplace and you’ve got to have a line to deliver it. Paul Patterson – Glenrock Associates LLC Okay. And then on the grid modernization project in Massachusetts, advanced meters, you mentioned it as being optional in the slide. And I was just wondering you guys have had a more conservative approach towards meters I believe in the past. What do you think the adoption rate or how much of that CapEx do you guys associate with advanced meters in that proposal that you have there? James J. Judge – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President Well, there is the ability to often include it in the proposal, which means that we’re not suggesting that AMI should be spread around our entire customer base. I think the details of the filing are available in addition to the meters and it was also IT system changes that would be needed to accommodate time varied rates. So the detail is in our filing I believe, but I don’t have the number readily available, Paul. Paul Patterson – Glenrock Associates LLC Okay. Sure. But would you say that you guys are still cautious it would seem, am I wrong, in terms of the benefits that advanced meters are likely to provide? Was that a fair characterization? James J. Judge – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President Yeah, we believe that there are some people that may be interested in monitoring their usage very closely on a daily basis if need be. And for that group of people we will allow the option to give them the infrastructure to do that, but we think that it’s a very small minority of our customer base overall. Paul Patterson – Glenrock Associates LLC Okay. Thanks a lot. Jeffrey R. Kotkin – Vice President-Investor Relations Thank you, Paul. Next question is from Andrew Weisel from Macquarie. Good morning, Andrew. Andrew M. Weisel – Macquarie Capital ( USA ), Inc. Hey. Good morning, everyone. James J. Judge – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President Good morning, Andrew. Andrew M. Weisel – Macquarie Capital ( USA ), Inc. First question on some of the public hearings you’ve had for Northern Pass. How would you say the feedback you received from those meetings went? And how might that effect the SEC review? Media reports suggest that they weren’t the most favorable conversations. Leon J. Olivier – EVP-Energy Strategy & Business Development Yeah, I would say that there was a range. There were five meetings in five different locations, actually I think we did six in five locations. But clearly in the Northern part of New Hampshire, we had the most vociferous group of folks there. But at the same time, the demeanor was different. It was respectful. There was less emotion. There’s always going to be the hardcore opponents to it, but I would say there was more dialog this time. I would say it was informative. We had some of the other meetings really where just a handful of people showed up because they really don’t have that concern. And so it was arranged. But I will say it’s markedly different from the open houses that we’ve had in New Hampshire before around this line, a little lot less emotion and some mutual respect between the presenters and the audience. I really think it was very, very well done. Andrew M. Weisel – Macquarie Capital ( USA ), Inc. Sounds good. Thank you. Leon J. Olivier – EVP-Energy Strategy & Business Development Yeah. Andrew M. Weisel – Macquarie Capital ( USA ), Inc. Next question on the Massachusetts modernization plan. It might be too early, but would have any sense what the shape of that $430 million might look like? In other words, would it be even spending into the five years or so or maybe more front-end or back-end loaded? James J. Judge – Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President I think probably what I should point out is maybe a third of it is going to be O&M. So only about two-thirds of it is capital spending and I do think it ramps up during the five-year period somewhat. Andrew M. Weisel – Macquarie Capital ( USA ), Inc. Okay. Then just two last questions as we look forward to 2016 earnings, obviously you haven’t given guidance yet. But the first question I had is on tax rates. Do you have any forecast for what effective tax rate might be relative to this year? Then second on the FERC ROE, the ALJ should give their recommendation before you give your 2016 guidance. Would you somehow reflect that in terms of the transmission ROE or wait for a FERC decision later in 2016 before you start to accrue those numbers? Leon J. Olivier – EVP-Energy Strategy & Business Development Sure. On the second one, it will depend upon the facts and circumstances of the FERC ROE order, whether or not we would reflect anything associated with the ALJ recommendation or whether we would wait until the FERC final decision which we expect in the third quarter of 2016. We continue to believe that the base ROE that was allowed in the first complaint 10.57% is well within the range of reasonableness going forward. So we would hope and expect that the FERC would come to a similar conclusion. In terms of the effective rate, as I mentioned, this year we expect to be between 37.5% and 38% and I’m going to not provide a number for 2016 until we provide our guidance in February. Andrew M. Weisel – Macquarie Capital ( USA ), Inc. Fair enough. Thank you very much. Leon J. Olivier – EVP-Energy Strategy & Business Development You’re welcome, Andrew. Jeffrey R. Kotkin – Vice President-Investor Relations Thank you, Andrew. That’s the last question. So we want to thank you, folks, very much for joining us today. As Jim said earlier, we’ll see many of you down at EEI starting on Sunday. Safe travels and we look forward to seeing you there. Thank you very much. Operator Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect.

Northwest Natural Gas’ (NWN) CEO Gregg Kantor on Q3 2015 Results – Earnings Call Transcript

Northwest Natural Gas Company (NYSE: NWN ) Q3 2015 Earnings Conference Call November 3, 2015, 11:00 am ET Executives Nikki Sparley – IR Gregg Kantor – CEO Greg Hazelton – SVP & CFO Analysts Spencer Joyce – Hilliard Lyons Operator Good day and welcome to the Northwest Natural Gas Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions]. After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions]. Please note that this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Nikki Sparley. Please go ahead. Nikki Sparley Thank you, Kasia. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our third quarter 2015 earnings call. As a reminder some of the things that will be said this morning contains forward-looking statements. They are based on management’s assumptions, which may or may not come true. You should refer to the language at the end of our press release for the appropriate cautionary statements and also our SEC filings for additional information. We expect to file our 10-Q later today. As mentioned, this teleconference is being recorded and will be available on our website following the call. Please note these conference calls are designed for the financial community. If you are an investor and have questions, please contact me directly at (503) 721-2530. Media may contact, Melissa Moore, at (503) 220-2436. Speaking this morning are Gregg Kantor, Chief Executive Officer and Greg Hazelton, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Mr. Kantor and Mr. Hazelton have some opening remarks and then will be available to answer your questions. Also joining us today are other members of our executive team, who are available to help answer any questions you may have. With that, I will turn it over to Mr. Kantor for his opening remarks. Gregg Kantor Thanks, Nikki. Good morning, everyone and welcome to our third quarter earnings call. I’ll start today with highlights from the period and then turn it over to Greg Hazelton to cover the financial details. Finally, I will wrap up the call with a brief update on our regulatory proceedings and our priorities for the remainder of the year. Let me begin with the quarterly financial results. We had a solid performance with higher utility margin and lower expenses in the period. Margin gains were largely from customer growth which increased to 1.5% from 1.3% last year. This growth rate translated into an additional 10,500 new customers on a rolling 12-month basis. On the expense front, we reduced O&M levels by almost $1 million on a quarter-over-quarter basis and I’m proud of the work we have done this year to control costs after the negative financial impacts of a record warm winter and a significant regulatory disallowance. As we look forward, there are several factors that suggest our local economy continues to experience solid growth. For example, in Portland Metro area about 40,000 new jobs have been added year-over-year which equates to over a 3% increase. And Oregon’s average wage today is the highest it has been relative to the national average in at least a generation according to the Oregon Office of Economic Analysis. Another metric of economic growth obviously is the unemployment rate which in September fell to 5.2% in the Portland Metro area from 5.9% last year. Also in the period home sales were up about 25% in Portland and average home prices increased by almost 6% compared to the third quarter of 2014. In Vancouver, Washington, home sales were up about 13% in the quarter compared to last year and average home prices were up just over 8%. All of these factors are signs that our local economy continues to move in the right direction. Due to following natural gas prices over the past year, we filed and received approval for a 7% rate reduction for Oregon residential customers, and a 14% reduction for Washington residential customers during the quarter. This decrease means our customers will be paying less for their natural gas this winter than they have in the past 15 years. Currently natural gas has up to a 60% price advantage over electricity and oil for home heating in our service territory. And this price advantage coupled with the environmental benefits of natural gas continue to boost our competitive position. Let me comment now on two other developments during the quarter. First, in September the Oregon commission adopted an all party settlement that determines how we would recover cost associated with seven wells we drilled under our amended gas reserves agreement. This $10 million additional investment, like our original investment with Encana, provides a long-term price protection for Oregon utility customers. Under the order, this investment will be recovered at a rate of about $0.47 per therm. We are pleased with this collaborative settlement and the positive conclusion to the dock. Going forward, we are working with the commission and other gas utilities in Oregon on a policy docket that will explore commodity hedging, including what world gas reserve should play. Finally this morning, I’m proud to report in September we learned that for that sixth time in nine years, we ranked first in the Annual J.D. Power Residential Customer Satisfaction Study for natural gas utilities in the west. In addition, we have strengths among the top two highest scoring utilities in the nation eight out of the last 10 years. These results reflect our continued commitment to operate reliably, safely, and with high quality customer service in the communities we serve. With that, let me turn it over to Greg to cover the financial details. Greg Hazelton Thank you, Gregg, and good morning everyone. Turning to our results for the third quarter we reported improved performance with a consolidated net loss of $6.7 million or $0.24 per share versus a loss of $8.7 million or $0.32 per share for the same period last year. As a reminder, a majority of our business was seasonal in nature. And the third quarter typically realized the loss due to decreased heating requirements impacting customer usage. Year-to-date earnings through September were $0.88 per share on net income of $24 million compared to $1.11 per share in net income of $30.2 million for the same period last year. As previously discussed in the first quarter, the company recorded a $15 million pretax or $9.1 million after tax environmental disallowance related to the February OPUC Order. This charge is included in O&M expense. Excluding the charge, year-to-date consolidated earnings were $1.21 per share or $33.1 million. This reflects a $2.9 million increase in net income from last year primarily driven by higher utility margins and an increase in other income. At our utility, we reported a net loss of $7.5 million for the quarter, an improvement of $1.3 million from the prior year. Results were driven by higher utility margin, lower O&M expense, and decreased interest expense. For the nine months period, utility net income was $23.1 million or a decrease of $6.4 million from last year, mainly due to the environmental charge. Excluding the disallowance, utility net income increased $2.7 million year-over-year. Positive year-to-date drivers included higher utility margins and increase in other income, lower interest expense; these were partially offset by an increase in O&M expense. Utility margin for the quarter increased $1.5 million driven by customer growth and gains from gas cost incentive sharing. And as you may recall, utility margin for the year-to-date period was impacted by warm weather in our service territory during our peak heating season in the first quarter. Overall average temperatures for the first nine months of the year were 15% warmer than 2014, and 22% warmer than normal. Total gas deliveries decreased almost 10% and gross revenues were down 4% during the year-to-date period. Although our utility margin is generally protected from the weather, we do have about 11% of our customers in Washington who do not have weather normalization, and 7% of our Oregon customers are left out of the weather normalization program. In spite of the weather driven decline in volumes and gross revenues, net margins increased $2.7 million mainly due to continued customer growth and gains from gas cost, incentive sharing mechanism, as we took the advantage of lower gas prices to achieve savings for our customers. Moving to our gas storage segment, net income for the quarter increased approximately $800,000 compared to the prior year. The increase was driven by higher operating revenues from slightly higher contract prices for the 2015/2016 gas storage year and a reduction in operating expenses at our Gill Ranch facility. For the first nine months, net income for gas storage was over $800,000, an increase of nearly $400,000 from the prior year. Results included a reduction in operating expenses and interest expense, partially offset by a decrease in operating revenues due to lower contract prices during the first quarter of 2015 at Gill Ranch. As Gregg mentioned earlier with regards to consolidated O&M, as a result of our cost control initiatives undertaken to partially offset the environmental write-off and record warm weather, we achieved a decrease of over $900,000 in O&M expense versus last year. For the nine months period, however excluding the regulatory disallowance, O&M expense increased $3.4 million. The increase was primarily due to utility payroll and benefit increases which included a new Union labor contract that was effective June 1, 2014. Partially offsetting the increase in payroll costs were lower repair and power cost at our Gill Ranch facility. For the first nine months, other income increased $4.9 million compared to last year, primarily due to the recognition of $5.3 million of equity earnings on deferred environmental expenditures as a result of the February environmental order. Over the last 12 months, the utility redeemed $40 million of debentures without reissuance using environmental insurance proceeds to pay down the maturing long-term debt balances and defer new issuances of long-term debt. Consequently interest expense decreased nearly $700,000 for the quarter and $3 million for the first nine months of the year. Cash flow from operating activities for the first nine months of 2015 was $173 million compared to $215 million a year ago. Last year’s cash flow was significantly enhanced by $102 million of insurance recoveries partially offset by other working capital changes. Finally, today the company has reaffirmed its 2015 guidance for reported earnings in the range of $1.77 to $1.97 per share which includes the $15 million pretax charge. Our adjusted guidance for 2015 excluding the charge remains unchanged at $2.10 per share to $2.30 per share. The company’s guidance assumes continued customer growth from our utility segment, average weather conditions going forward, slow recovery of the gas storage market, and no significant changes in prevailing legislative and regulatory policies or outcomes. With that, I will turn it back over to Gregg for his concluding remarks. Gregg Kantor Thanks, Greg. At this point in the year, our focus is two-fold. First, we will be moving toward a decision on our open environmental compliance proceedings. And at the same time, we will continue to work necessary to advance our growth initiatives. As you know, in the first quarter, we received the Commission’s decision on our environmental cost recovery mechanism and the application of an earnings test to environmental expenditures. As part of the decision, the OPUC required a compliance filing that describes how we would implement their order. We submitted a revised compliance filing at the end of September and we’re currently working through the review process with OPUC staff and other parties. We believe the two main issues in question are whether the company is required to forego recovery of interest on the original regulatory disallowance and on how certain costs are allocated between Oregon and Washington. The filing will be subject to final commission approval which we expect early in 2016. On our growth initiatives, we’ve been working with the Oregon Commission and parties on a Carbon Solutions Program under Oregon’s greenhouse gas reduction legislation. As we’ve discussed before, Senate Bill 844 allows the OPUC to incent natural gas utilities to undertake projects that will reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Our first proposal was submitted in June and is designed to further the use of combined heat and power in Oregon, a goal that the state has had for a number of years. Under our CHP proposal, industrial and commercial customers in the market could submit CHP projects for consideration. In our view, this is an important effort that could provide a significant carbon reduction benefit for our customers and for Oregon. The OPUC has set a schedule for review of our CHP filing that calls for a decision early in 2016. And we’re currently working with parties on a number of items including the proper level of incentives and how to measure the carbon emissions. Now let me give you a quick update on the potential expansion projects at our underground storage facility in Mist, Oregon. As you know, last December, we received approval from Portland General Electric to move forward with the permitting and land acquisition work required for the expansion project. The project would require no notice storage services to PGE’s — I’m sorry to provide no notice storage service to PGE’s natural gas fired generating plants at Fort Westwood. It would include a new reservoir, providing up to 25 billion cubic feet of available storage, an additional compressor station, and a new pipeline. In April, we submitted an application to the Oregon Energy Facility Siting Council for an amendment to our existing Mist site certificate, a step required to support the expansion. And in early October, we held a public open house with the local community near the expansion site and received positive feedback from attendees. The next step in the process will occur when the Department of Energy and Siting Council publish a proposed order later this year. Between now and the issuance of that proposed order, we will continue to work with both organizations to address any questions about our filing. And our team also continues to work on obtaining other required permits and property rights. Assuming successful and timely completion of those items, the current estimated cost of the expansion is approximately $125 million with a potential in-service date in the 2018/2019 winter season, again depending on the permitting process and the construction schedule. I will end my comments today by noting that in quarter, our Board approved a dividend increase making this the 60th consecutive year of increasing dividends paid. It is a record of which we are very proud. And with that thanks for joining us this morning and now I will open it up for questions. Question-and-Answer Session Operator We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Spencer Joyce of Hilliard Lyons. Please go ahead. Spencer Joyce Hi good morning guys. Great quarter here. Gregg Kantor Thank you. Thank you, good morning Spencer. Spencer Joyce Just a couple of real quick ones from me. First want to go back and talk about the $13 million of environmental cost that we’re going to be able to start recovering in Oregon, I guess beginning just a couple of days ago on November 1. I guess first question is this going to be strictly a cash flow statement item or will we see this flow also through the income statement part one there. And then part two, I guess this recovery subject to a final review. Are we pretty comfortable with the $13 million or can you kind of put odds on the likelihood we see some change to that number? Greg Hazelton Spencer, this is Greg Hazelton. I will take those questions in order. First of all the recovery of the $13 million, we will see an increase in revenue for that amount and you’ll see an offsetting increase in expense or amortization. As we have reported as an operating expense as we amortize the deferred balance. So the net-net would be it will be a positive cash flow perspective but net zero from an income or net income perspective. Spencer Joyce Okay, perfect. That’s what somewhat what I assume there. Greg Hazelton Sure. Now we’re collecting the $13 million which has been authorized this is not something that’s subject to refund, this is something that we’re collecting amortizing those balances any adjustments to collections on a — of deferred balances would be done on a perspective basis as we go through each calendar year. Gregg Kantor And once it gets put into the PGA, we’re collecting it has — those are dollars that have been approved for collection by the commission and there is no second look at it, right. Spencer Joyce Okay, perfect. I guess totally separately jumping up to the O&M lines, a real nice quarter here sounds like you’ve got a couple of cost tailwinds there. I would expect some of those to perhaps show up in Q4 and may be into early next year as well any color there, I know it’s somewhat baked into guidance. But I know previous quarters, we have talked a little bit about some increased cost or maintenance cost or some of the storage facilities, it seems like that may be unwinding a bit, but just any additional color to help us model that O&M over the next few quarters? Greg Hazelton Yes I think may be a couple of things would be helpful here. Gill Ranch, we had about $1.8 million recorded last year on the storage segment which increased Gill Ranch’s O&M which we wouldn’t expect to be repeated this year or something that would be recurring. As we think about O&M or generally, we have implemented cost controls to try to offset some of the impact for weather and the write-off, frankly coming off ’14, which was actually a pretty, we had a pretty low level of O&M expense that year based on FTEs and so forth. So we’re coming off a pretty low base. From a budgeting perspective, we actually expect it to be up fairly significantly year-over-year in the 7% area. In fact that we’ve held it to relatively close to flat year-over-year is acknowledgement of the effort that we’ve taken this year which are probably not sustainable next year. At some point, we have to have — we have to adjust staffing, we have to reflect increases in cost that are baked into third-party expenditures and other things. So I would say if you look at our — if you look year-over-year, if you think our O&M of $121 million which is reported year-to-date and we adjust out of that the about $16 million in write-off, environmental write-off and other adjustments. And then, if we look at some of the baked in increases that we had to offset which included bargaining unit labor increases and compensation increases. Again we’ve kept that flat relative to last year. So that in total that gets you somewhere in the $4 million plus area in terms of savings that we’ve been able to achieve which are baked into our forecast numbers. Spencer Joyce Okay, perfect, great color there. 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Pinnacle West Capital’s (PNW) CEO Don Brandt on Q3 2015 Results – Earnings Call Transcript

Pinnacle West Capital Corporation (NYSE: PNW ) Q3 2015 Earnings Conference Call October 30, 2015 12:00 PM ET Executives Paul Mountain – Director, IR Don Brandt – Chairman, President and CEO Jim Hatfield – EVP and CFO Jeff Guldner – SVP, Public Policy, APS Mark Schiavoni – EVP and COO, APS Analysts Dan Eggers – Credit Suisse Greg Gordon – Evercore Ali Agha – SunTrust Robinson Humphrey Michael Weinstein – UBS Brian Chin – Bank of America/Merrill Lynch Charles Fishman – Morningstar Paul Ridzon – KeyBanc Capital Markets Michael Lapides – Goldman Sachs Paul Patterson – Glenrock Associates Operator Greetings, and welcome to the Pinnacle West Capital Corporation 2015 Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Paul Mountain, Director of Investor Relations. Thank you sir, you may begin. Paul Mountain Thank you, Christine. I would like to thank everyone for participating in this conference call and Webcast to review our third quarter 2015 earnings, recent developments, and operating performance. Our speakers today will be our Chairman and CEO, Don Brandt, and our CFO, Jim Hatfield. Jeff Guldner, APS’s Senior Vice President of Public Policy and Mark Schiavoni, APS’s Chief Operating Officer, are also here with us. First, I need to cover a few details with you. The slides that we will using are available on our Investor Relations Web site, along with our earnings release and related information. Note that the slides contain reconciliations of certain non-GAAP financial information. Today’s comments and our slides contain forward-looking statements based on current expectations and the Company assumes no obligation to update these statements. Because actual results may differ materially from expectations, we caution you not to place undue reliance on these statements. Our third quarter Form 10-Q was filed this morning. Please refer to that document for forward-looking statements, cautionary language, as well as the risk factors and MD&A sections which identify risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in our disclosures. A replay of this call will be available shortly on our Web site for the next 30 days. It will also be available by telephone through November 6th. I’ll now turn the call over to Don. Don Brandt Thank you, Paul and thank you all for joining us today. Pinnacle West delivered a solid quarter with several financial and operational highlights keeping us on pace with our guidance for the year and setting us up well for next year. The Board also approved the 5% dividend increase last week effective with the December dividend payment, continuing the predictable return of capital to our shareholders. Jim will discuss the financial results and guidance. Our operations team did an excellent job maintaining the fleet and the electrical grid again this summer. The Palo Verde Nuclear Generation Station performed well. Unit 2 entered its planned refilling outage on October 10th this outage marks an important milestone. It represents the completion of flex equipment installation at all three units. Flex addresses one of the main safety challenges at Fukushima the loss of cooling capability and electrical power resulting from a severe event. Flex short for diverse and flexible mitigation strategies is an industry wide initiative with site specific applicability, it relies on portable equipment to protect against even the most unlikely scenarios. The transmission distribution and customer service teams also performed well. Similar to last year we had a series of monsoon storms over the last few months 50,000 customers were without power during the worse storm. The vast majority were back on within 24 hours. Due to the storm damage our crones replaced 485 pools nearly twice a number from the 2014 storm season. August was particularly hot this year. We hit our 2015 load peak on Saturday August 15th after temperatures hit over 114 degrees for three consecutive days. This is the first time in modern era with air-conditioning that our peak has been on a Saturday. One data point worth noting is that when our customers were using the most energy at around 5 pm that day rooftop solar on our system was producing only 38% of its capacity, supplying 75 megawatts of the 7,031 megawatt load, since rooftop solar peaks around noon. However in stark contrast utility scale solar was producing 80% of its capacity supplying 140 megawatts of the load, because most utilities scaled panels are on trackers that move with the sun. Just a couple of hours later when our system load was still high rooftop solar production was at zero and the only solar production was coming from Solana our concentrated solar facility with thermal storage capabilities. This scenario was not unique to our peak lower day and highlights the importance of the electric grid at all hours of the day. Along with a robust and modern grid modernizing the rate structure is a necessary priority for which we have been advocating. Let me provide some perspective on how our recent regulatory fillings have evolved. Our priority remains clear we want to continue the dialogue on rate design with the objective of thoughtfully evaluating these policy issues ahead of the rate case application we plan to file in June of next year. The grid access towards filling we made on April 2nd was designed to take another step in this rate transition by increasing the fixed charge to $3 per KW or about $21 per month per solar customer. In August the Arizona Corporation Commission ordered to move forward with an evidentiary hearing on the issue the exact scope and timing of that process was to be determined they has another meeting. Subsequent to that decision we saw an unprecedented display of political theatre and character attacks by the rooftop solar lobby aimed at paralyzing the commission. Given the backdrop we offered an alternative to the commission in September to forgo of the request to increase the grid access charge and exchange for a more narrow hearing on the cost to serve customers with and without solar. In connection with this alternative we filed a summary of a recently concluded cost to service study on October 8th. This study used a methodology that has been tried, tested and validated in utility proceeding across the country using actual verifiable data. It concluded that each month APS incurs $67 to serve solar customers that those customers do not pay. This analysis credit solar customers for the measurable cost that APS avoids when a customer installs rooftop solar primarily reduce fuel costs. The commission discussed how to proceed at the open meeting last week. In the end they wanted to move forward with a single generic docket that will investigate a both the cost to service issue raised by APS and the value of solar. The procedural calendar would be determined soon by the commission staff. Although there has been a lot of noise around this issue we believe moving forward is critical and we will continue to work with the commission and key stakeholders in this proceeding. In addition to the regulatory proceedings we are also learning about the customer and grid impacts through our solar partner rooftop solar program. Our understanding in this area will better inform our efforts to create a modernized rate structure tailored to our customers’ energy needs. We’ve had a lot of interest in the process of signing up customers and installing rooftop systems. Let me know provide an update on a few other items related to our generation portfolio. Our utility scale program AZ Sun has two 10-megawatt projects in the Phoenix metro area come on line in September bringing the total program total to 170 megawatts. We will access a need for more utility scale solar through our resource planning process. We also retired Cholla unit 2 one of our core units as of October 1st in line with our announcement a year ago as part of a broader environmental plan for the Cholla site. Let me conclude by saying that we remain focused on delivering on our financial and operational commitments. We have a busy calendar over the next couple of years while the state addresses rate design modernization and we prepare for our rate case filling. We will remain steadfast to find solutions that benefit all of our customers. I’ll now turn the call over to Jim. Jim Hatfield Thank you, Don and welcome everybody. We had a solid third quarter as we benefitted from our continued cost management efforts and improvement in our customer sales. Today I’ll discuss the details of our third quarter financial results provide an update on the Arizona economy and review our financial outlook including introducing 2016 guidance. Slide 3 summarizes our GAAP net income and ongoing earnings. For the third quarter of 2015, we reported consolidated ongoing earnings of $357 million, or $2.30 per share, compared with ongoing earnings of $244 million, or $2.20 per share for the third quarter of 2014. Slide 4 outlines the variances in our quarterly ongoing earnings per share. I’ll highlight two primary drivers. Higher gross margin increased earnings by $0.28 per share. I’ll cover the drivers of our gross margin variance on the next slide. Going the other way higher depreciation and amortization expenses decreased earnings by $0.12 per share. Similar to the first half of this year the variance includes the absence of the 2014 Four Corners cost deferrals and related 2015 amortization of the deferrals and cost associated with the acquisition. D&A expenses were also higher due to additional plant service. Turning to Slide 5, I will cover a few of the key components of the net increase of $0.28 in gross margin. Higher usage by APS customers compared to the third quarter a year ago contributed $0.08 per share. Weather normalized retail kilowatt hour sales after the effects of energy efficiency, customer conservation and distributed generation increased 2.1% in the third quarter of 2015 versus 2014. Collectively the adjustment mechanism is continuing to add incremental growth to our gross margin as designed, contributing $0.17 per share primarily the Four Corners adjuster that went into effect on January 1. Offsetting Four Corners’ expenses are included in the other drivers, primarily D&A, which I mentioned earlier. The effect of weather variations increased earnings by $0.04 per share. This year’s third quarter was warmer or more favorable than normal, while the third quarter of 2014 was milder, or less favorable compared to normal conditions. As Don mentioned, August was particularly hot this year or for the first time since we added in Arkansas — we hit our peak on a weekend. As a reminder, both the O&M and gross margin variances exclude expenses related to the renewable energy standard, energy efficiency and similar regulatory programs, all of which are offset by comparable revenue amounts under adjustment mechanism. Slide 6 presents a look at the Arizona economy, and our fundamental growth outlook. Arizona’s economy continues to grow, much like it has in the past several quarters. Job growth in the third quarter in the Phoenix Metro area remained above the national average, as they have for the past 17 quarters. As seen in the upper panel of Slide 6, Metro Phoenix added jobs at a 2.8% year-over-year rate. This job growth is broad-based with the construction, healthcare, tourism, financial activity, business services and consumer service sectors, each adding jobs at a rate above 3%. Growth in consumer spending remains robust and expectations are improving for the housing market. Our expectation for the Metro Phoenix housing permits could be seen in the lower panel on Slide 6. The housing market is on track to record its best year since 2007 for both total permits and the single-family sector by itself. Total permits are up more than 12% this year and notably single family permit activity is up over 40%. Permit activity in the third quarter was the highest we’ve seen since the middle of 2007 and homeowners continue to report strong traffic in their sales offices. In summary, Metro Phoenix economy did grow fairly and is positioned for stronger growth in the next couple of years as it will act on the overbilled real estate market receipts into the past. As I have mentioned before, Arizona and Metro Phoenix remain attractive places to live and do business, especially as it is situated relative to the high-cost California market. 2015 is turning out to be better than 2014 in terms of job growth, income growth, consumer spending, and new construction. And we expect 2016 to be better than 2015. Reflecting the steady improvement in the economic conditions, APS’s retail customer base grew 1.3% compared with the third quarter of last year. We expect that this growth rate will gradually accelerate in response to economic growth trends I just discussed. Importantly, the long-term fundamentals supporting future population, job growth and economic development in Arizona appear to be in place. Finally, I will review our earnings guidance and financial outlook. We continue to expect Pinnacle West’s consolidated ongoing earnings for 2015 will be in the lower half of the range of $3.75 to $3.95 per share, based on the negative effects of weather through September. Year-to-date unfavorable weather through September has impacted earnings by approximately $0.08 per share versus normal conditions. We adjusted our 2015 customer growth down slightly to 1% to 2% from 1.5% to 2.5%, although our sales outlook hasn’t changed. We are introducing 2016 ongoing guidance of $3.90 to $4.10 per share which assumes the normal weather. The adjustment mechanics particularly transmission and LFCR along with modest sales growth are the key growth margin drivers. O&M is above trend in 2016 however, non-outage O&M spending remains flat in 2016 compared to 2015 with planned possible outages representing the increase year-over-year. This includes major planned outages at Four Corners and Cholla which occur roughly over six years. Separately the new lease terms related to the Palo Verde waste plant at Unit 2 that take effect January 1, 2015 offset plan and service impact and key depreciation and amortization relatively flat year-over-year. A complete list of the factors and assumptions underlying our guidance is included in our slides. Our rate based growth outlook remains 6% to 7% through 2018. We’ve included our updated rate based slide in the appendix. These estimates include bonus depreciation which we’re assuming will be extended for 2015 and 2016. And we continue to forecast that we will not need additional equity until 2017 at the early. Lastly as Don discussed the Board of Directors increased the indicated annual dividend last week by $0.12 per share or approximately 5% to $2.50 per share effective with the December payment. This concludes our prepared remarks. Operator we’ll now take questions. Question-and-Answer Session Operator Thank you. We’ll now be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Dan Eggers from Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question. Dan Eggers If we get to see an end of the 2016 guidance a little bit. I guess first question is you go back from the 1.5% to 2.5% customer growth number, given that reduction in inventory and revenue mix. Is there enough things now are coming online for next year that you can actually hit that numbers you guys look out and see what’s getting built? Jim Hatfield We do Dan. We see as we talk about home permits were up 78% in the August from the same month a year-ago. We’re seeing sales up 32% in [indiscernible] so we’re seeing a lot of activity in that housing market. Don Brandt And this is Don, I refer you if you do a search on azcentral.com Web site for the Arizona Republic and just a story that appeared on the 21st of October I just take a selective quote out of that but over the past two years approximately 11,000 building permits for single-family new homes have been issued annually and he said the expectation is that the number will reach 16,000 by year’s end. Dan Eggers And then on the O&M cost side for next year. The cost should be flat excluding the maintenance I guess what you said if we thought about what ’17 looks like how much of that extra maintenance gives us a way to just try and normalize that? Don Brandt Well don’t think ’17 will be as big as ’16 and when we look for rate case purposes we use a average of five years or so, so that all get blended out in the rate case. Dan Eggers The rate case will reflect that moving that with the ’17 numbers? Don Brandt Yes I mean we’ll get all of it because this is a sort of peak but we’ll get an average over several years as typically how they do it. Dan Eggers And then on the rate base forecast it includes another non depreciation act in the 18 rate case numbers now have a $400 million, what you guys do with the bonus depreciation cash and the activation company and the equity? Don Brandt Easy to fund CapEx, we’ll still be net negative cash from our fixed income securities to fund the CapEx but it does reduce our need. Jim Hatfield It will reduce our need for debt financing. Don Brandt Yes and we take bonus depreciations will be 70% of that reduction in CapEx the rest is really moving Ocotillo out to ’19 from ’18. Operator Our next question comes from the line of Greg Gordon with Evercore. Please proceed with your question. Greg Gordon My math shows that — I think my math shows that on the updated rate case forecast that 390 to 410 basically should more or less reflect the 9.5% to 10% ROE band on parent equity in 2016? Don Brandt That’s correct, right. Greg Gordon So yes that’s consistent with the way you thought about in the past? Don Brandt Correct. Greg Gordon So to the extend we lined up with the low-end or to high-end of that range thinking about the drivers on Page 10. Obviously this year we’re more towards the lower half because weather was mild. Is it fair to assume that the midpoint of your gross margin guidance range just assumes just a normal weather? Don Brandt Yes it includes normal weather as well as we’ve those adjuster mechanisms two things you — the other thing you’ll see from the gross margin perspective we’ve the negative transmission adjuster in 2015 which will have a positive next year. So we get the cumulative effect of that as well. Greg Gordon I guess I’ll step back and then ask higher level more open ended question. What are the key two or three factors that would cause you to end up at 410 versus that would cause you to end up at 390 i.e. high end of the range versus low end as you think about managing risk in ’16? Don Brandt I’ll take the higher end of the guidance to reflect a little higher sales growth and we’re currently planning. That would be the big driver. Greg Gordon Okay. And you file a rate case when and how and when is the — what’s the statutory time limit for a decision? Don Brandt We will file June 1 of 2016 typically there was a 30 days efficiency and there is the last case we did in 10.5 we expect probably it will last goal longer with the rate design in there it’s the statutory four month timeline but and Christmas around as you get days of the hearings and so on. Greg Gordon So the goal would be to have rates in place for the summer of ’17 but that could slip? Jim Hatfield Yes. And the perfect word we will have it at July 1 what the issue in the case on rate design changes and so on that would be an optimistic scenario I think. Greg Gordon But isn’t that the reason why you are trying to get a lot of that discussion down now and the context of these proceedings that Don just discussed. Jim Hatfield Exactly Greg. Operator Our next question comes from the line of Ali Agha with SunTrust. Please proceed with your question. Ali Agha Don so do you want that the commission decided to have these hearings on the generic basis and I know you guys have pushed for them to be more specific and focused on the cost of service side and is there a concern that while they go through the generic process and then when the rate case comes you’ve got to go through this once again but with more specific numbers so at the end of the day how much realistically do you think this moves the ball forward given the generic measure of this discussion? Jim Hatfield I think it’s a new advanced the ball will be dealing with the not just generic number but our numbers specifically as will be other participants and Jeff Guldner sitting here next to me I think can explain on that far a little bit. Jeff Guldner Sure. And I remember this they said their value has sold the dockets which was up there with obviously would be a new port on a generic the cost of service study that we did is specific with us and so one of the things you would get in the generic proceeding is still some discussion of how do you apply cost allocation factors how do you sort it out cost to service issue and result those and move forward in the rate case with the given the commissioners policy options that are available to cost from the value side and the more of that we can work through ahead of the rate case the more productive that’s going to be when you get into the rate case process. Ali Agha And then secondly as strong was good to see the growth in weather normalized sales pick up this quarter at 2.1%. With customer growth at that 1.3% level was there anything specific to this quarter would the weather normalization not have worked perfectly the sense that your sales growth is actually greater than customer growth this quarter and normally as you said does that 50 to 100 basis point differential but you see so anything to explain why sales growth was strong than customer growth this quarter? Jeff Guldner I think the biggest thing Ali is sort of a weak comparison last year in the third quarter overall we have 1% sales growth year-to-date which would reflect the kind of customer growth we’re seeing currently. I think a lot of that two part of our we look at the we have top solar and EDE and a lot of this been confident it’s new and I think you are seeing a little more cost that consumer and those in the Phoenix marketplace. Ali Agha I see, okay. And then on a sort of the LTM basis based on the way you guys calculate ROE and I know that’s all book value when you talk about your targets. Can you tell us what is that ROE that you want over the LTM basis? Jeff Guldner I haven’t calculated that I’ll have to look at that. Ali Agha Okay. But to be clear on the ’16 outlook the range reflects at the lower end 9.5% again based on the book value calculation? Jeff Guldner Yes. Ali Agha And the high-end would be 10. Is that right? Jeff Guldner Yes. Ali Agha Thank you. Jeff Guldner Next question? Operator, next question? Christine? We have lost connection from the host just one moment please. Operator Ladies and gentlemen, I am sorry for the delay. Our next question will come from the line of Michael Weinstein with UBS. Please proceed with your question. Michael Weinstein Hi guys. Can you hear me okay? Hello? Oh! Boy. Operator Ladies and gentlemen, please stand by your conference will resume momentarily. Michael Weinstein Oh! Boy. Operator Ladies and gentlemen, again please stand by your conference will resume momentarily. Once again please stand by your conference will resume momentarily. Gentlemen, you are reconnected. And your next question comes from the line of Michael Weinstein. Please proceed with your question. Michael Weinstein Hi, guys. Can you hear me okay? Hello? I am not hearing anybody, operator. Operator Gentlemen you are connected. Michael Weinstein Yes, can you guys hear me okay? Don Brandt Yes. Michael Weinstein Oh! There we go. All right. Don Brandt Okay. Michael Weinstein So my question has to do with the guidance for 2015. Just looking at you’ve reduced the retail customer growth a little bit by 0.5% but the sales volume is remaining the same. So that would sort of indicate that there has been an improvement in terms of energy efficiency effects, I guess less of an energy efficiency effect that you see in 2015. However, when you go forward to 2016 guidance, you have an increase in the customer growth rate but still the same sales rate, so that indicates the opposite. Just wondering what’s going on with energy efficiencies and asset management side? Don Brandt I Michael would caution you to look at any quarter and try to extract anything out of quarters, a quarter. I think we are pleasantly surprised by the sales growth year-to-date. I don’t think we necessarily expect laying that into ’16 guidance. Michael Weinstein Okay. And also just in terms of the rate cases filing. Is it true you guys are going to have to file or you are going to have to make purchases of new generating assets before you file the case. Is that right? Don Brandt We have no plans to purchase generation assets other than what we are billing at occupancy or which is a self built. Michael Weinstein Okay, so there is no potential for anything else, fairly probably you can see now? Don Brandt No we have some PPAs and other things rolling off and we will go out next year for sort of all resources RFP for sometime later this — probably later this decade, then we will see what where get at that point but we’re ways off from new generation at this point. Operator Our next question comes from the line of Brian Chin with Bank of America/Merrill Lynch. Please proceed with your question. Brian Chin So with the revised rate base numbers including bonus depreciation, can you quantify out the impact of the bonus depreciation or give us some sense of how big that is relative to the prior forecast? Don Brandt Yes, bonus depreciation we expect to be over the two years about $250 million. We just think about that as ratably over those two years. Brian Chin Okay, excellent. And then with regards to the revised bonus depreciation numbers, can you give us an update on any potential needs for equity, I would assume that it reduces that since you are able to take the bonus depreciation and use that for further deployment of capital. But just revise us on what the equity financing needs are if any as we go to the next year? Don Brandt Yes, well, certainly the cash and bonus depreciation would minimize the need, if we need anything, we won’t do anything until after we get that outcome and next rate case. Brian Chin Okay, great. And then lastly, just what risk do you think there could be under the more narrowly tailored generic proceeding. Is it possible that any delays or extension of that proceeding could bleed into the timing of when you file the rate case? Is there a risk of the two issues kind of melting together? I guess it’s a little bit of a springboard question on earlier question I think that Ali asked? Jeff Guldner Brian it’s Jeff I don’t think it would affect the timing of the filing of the rate case. One of the issues that came up in the discussion a little while ago was we’ve requested that the information push to get that aside us in the April timeframe was ahead in the case. But the procedural conference is still coming out, if that leaves over that wouldn’t affect the filing, once you file the case you’ve got a fairly lengthy litigation process. Operator Our next question comes from the line of Charles Fishman with Morningstar. Pleas proceed with your question. Charles Fishman If I could go back to the rate base growth once again 2018, the 400 million decline in generation and distribution that was bonus depreciation and the delay of Ocotillo the $200 million decline in transmission is that all bonus depreciation or there a project is been delayed or canceled that I have forgotten about? Don Brandt No we’re constantly on ongoing basis moving capital from year-to-year so there is nothing substantial in terms of delay in big projects or anything like that. Operator Our next question comes from the line of Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question. Paul Ridzon Very quickly, you said you had 2.1% sales growth and that is after the impact of efficiency correct? Don Brandt Yes, and distributors and origin. Paul Ridzon What was the gross number? Don Brandt Little over three. Operator Our next question comes from the line of Michael Lapides with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question. Michael Lapides Sorry to beat a little bit of a dead horse just want to make sure I understand though. Can you walk us through from your prior disclosures to today’s flight deck, the change in total expected rate basis for the forecast period and just two or three biggest drivers for that? There has been a lot 1C 2Cs and I want make sure I understand what’s going on here? Don Brandt Well about 70% of the change roughly is the impact of bonus depreciation, and significant amount of the other is just moving Ocotillo from our end service date of ’18 to 2019. Michael Lapides And the total change is $400 million or greater number? Don Brandt About $4 million. Michael Lapides Second when we think about 2017 O&M should we assume that it kind of gets back down in that year to something closer what you’ve guided to for 2015 or does it kind of stay at that elevated level that you’re going to see next year but that you recovering you’re expecting to get more recovery of that in rates? Don Brandt We’ve really not talked about any aspect of 2017 guidance Michael. Michael Lapides Is the 2016 increase in O&M viewed more as one time or viewed as recurring? Don Brandt Well I think it is — I would call it one time, and we do generation outage every year where it is based with significant overall at both quarters at 28 in the same year I could say that that number is elevated based on what we wouldn’t call it one time in any view. Michael Lapides And the case are going to filed in mid-’16 will that use a full year ’15 test year and what large if any known and measurables would be in there? Don Brandt We’ll try to let’s see what we had on the past which is the 2015 test year and any planned service 15-18 months then post patch your plan and there will be some things that are still under construction that won’t be done like the SCRs or Ocotillo allows them to recover some other mechanism. Michael Lapides Meaning you’re expecting to potentially get Ocotillo recovered in this even though Ocotillo is now not due online until 2019? Don Brandt No, we would not get Ocotillo in this rate case. Michael Lapides So this rate case is more about just managing lag and getting the FBRs in? Don Brandt I think this rate case is also a lot about the rate design issue which is how we align our 70% of fixed cost with only 10% of fixed revenue and try to get more alignment between cost and revenue. Operator Our next question comes from our Paul Patterson with Glenrock Associates. Please proceed with your question. Paul Patterson There was a court case in the Arizona Court of Appeal which overturned from the Arizona Corporate Commissions it was the case that didn’t involve you but in theory I guess there is some that are arguing that the solar access being out of the rate case could be — would it comply with the court of appeal ruling if you follow me. I am sure you guys are familiar with the case but whether — is this a new point that you have withdrawn your request or is there any risk if this I know the ACC is probably going to appeal it but if this decision were upheld is there any risk to you guys would respect to what would be the impact to you guys if it was upheld let me just ask it that way? Jeff Guldner So Paul this is Jeff Guldner. If you are referring that water company case involving infrastructure adjustor the commission have appealed that and if so court of appeals case they start review with the Arizona supreme court and with the case that what’s there was how the commission makes fair value findings which is somewhat unique that Arizona regulation how it makes their value findings in the context of adjustor mechanisms and things like that so we get them in rate cases we do typically fair value findings and provisions and almost everything that we do and so what I think folks are looking for right now is clarify some of the things that were in the court has appeals decision but it’s I don’t think that the supreme court is not yet excited whether to grant review and if they do I’m sure they will see mostly intelligence of state participating in that litigation. Paul Patterson Okay, right. But I guess what I’m wondering is if they grant review and I mean this ultimately is upheld where there would be any impact on what you guys have collected in riders or what have you with this access do you mean what would be — let me just ask you this way with reviewing impact on you guys when you look at the Arizona court of appeal’s decision what do you think the impact would be if we were up held? Jeff Guldner The part of the review on how you that to make fair value findings and those proceedings and I think most folks would expect the release to be prospective and so would be in highly to move forward with a different proceeding in terms of making fair value findings to which support whatever the court ultimately came out lift. We’ve had filed adjustors and one of the things that was mention that decision is a fuel adjustor which tracks expenses up and down fuel adjustors have been common in Arizona for decades and that opinion recognize with types of adjustors fine and as you get into different styles or different models for adjustor gets little more complicated and you guys figure out how you put the fair value piece it up. [Multiple Speakers] Paul Patterson So you guys have been fine with fuel adjustment that wanted to be something that would be impacted but would there be any other potential riders as something that we should think about as being potentially impacted or is it would you feel basically that you guys have the one that impacts that much. Is that what I’m getting at? Jeff Guldner Yes. We also look at all the riders and we look at how the fair value provisions and how we handle fair value in each of those cases and that litigated or implemented the rate cases and then if we have to make adjustments for the next rate case then we would. Operator We have no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the floor back over to management for closing comments. Don Brandt Thank you, Christine. Thanks for joining us today. We apologize for the connection issues we had on the call. And we look forward to seeing most of you at EVI here in a couple of weeks. Thank you. Operator Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today’s teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation and have a wonderful day.